• JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Okay but like what happens in Beijing when you say you’re not satisfied? Also, weren’t there large scale protests there not to long back?

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      1. Nothing

      2. USA propaganda

      3. USA conditions are so shitty for black people and other minorities that cities were being burned

      4. French conditions for minorities are so shitty that there are protests there every day and many cities are on fire

      Conclusion: Socialism >>>> (Capitalism = shit)

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        Hahahahahaha

        Oh wait, you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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        Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists. Also, cities were not being burned but way to parrot right wing talking points. In fact you could easily be a right winger hoping to drum up support. Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation so you probably are just some dumb fuck who thought he knew anything about the left.

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          Ugh such tired, ignorant arguments. Disappointing, especially for someone so sure of themselves.

          Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists.

          1. Read this on why China is not capitalist and the justification for reform
          2. Also read this on “capitalism” in China
          3. Read this on monopoly state capitalism (specifically applies to underdeveloped countries under the DOTP)

          Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation

          Social development is a matter of and emerges from material development, and so it is absurd to expect equal social development between countries of varying material development (of which China’s underdevelopment was a matter of Western colonialism/imperialism). It is inaccurate to say “anti-lgbt legislation”, and more accurate to say “lack of desirable pro-LGBT+ legislation” (same-sex relationships are legal in China, although same-sex marriage is not legally recognized for instance, with some concessions in this field, of which improvement has been occuring.

          2020 report published in BMC Public Health: “For member of the Chinese LGBT community, the greatest source of pressure to conform to societal norms of sexuality and identity comes from family members—particularly parents […] a higher level of economic development in provinces was associated with a decrease in discrimination, and we identified that every 100 thousand RMB increase in per capita GDP lead to a 6.4% decrease in discriminatory events perpetrated by heterosexuals […] he prevalence of this discrimination is associated with the economic development of the province in which it occurs.”

          As such, development is conducive to progressive change, and development is prioritized in China, especially poverty alleviation, which more rapidly builds the base for improving LGBT+ acceptance/equality. Please read and don’t misrepresent things in the future.

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        So what did all those Uighurs do then?

        Edit: you gonna bring up racial and ethinc issues in the US and not expect people to bring up China’s fuck ups?

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              There’s the thought-terminating epithet. The site doesn’t just link “propaganda”, it directly refutes what you have to say through hundreds of sources and direct rebuttals, but naturally that is impossible for you to admit or engage with.

              Great to see some more scratched liberal homophobia as well.

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                Oh, see I’m asexual and don’t care what your orientation or gender is. It’s a known way to upset people. You’ll also notice that the only slur was tankie. So, suck a dick tankie.

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                  Thought-terminating nonsense. It’s a homophobic insult regardless of your sexual orientation. Either way, you couldn’t refute my sources so it doesn’t really matter that you’re resorting to insults. Very clear coping mechanism.

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    It’s so interesting that in a country where bitching about the government will land you in prison, people don’t publicly bitch about the government

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      “Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being” – Harvard study; this also shows people complaining about shit, admitting to lodging complaints/being willing to protest surrounding main issues. You had this cited to you back in another thread (where I refuted your claims on another topic, as did others), and yet you couldn’t come up with a single intelligent response. Now you’re saying the same bs with the same ignorant confidence, as if you have any evidence that simply disapproving of the government lands you in prison, despite the claim being disproven empirically (see above) and logically (“Idk why this is” and then “you can figure it out yourself” being your only responses; I don’t believe you have an actual answer to this refutation). The only reason I recognized you is because this is almost verbatim the exact comment you made in the other thread. You have brain worms.

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    It’s almost like people won’t publicly criticize the government when the government imprisons and kills people who publicly criticize it and their families.

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    Huh, is that why the people of Hong Kong seemed so happy in that last bout of protests? You know, when over 1 million people took to the streets, protested and set the city on fire? Also, and just out of interest, is your government still using “prisoner’s of conscience” as an organ donor pool or have they finally shut down their concentration camps?

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      You know, when over 1 million people took to the streets, protested and set the city on fire?

      They also set people on fire. The protests were started because they opposed an extradition bill designed to address a loophole that just allowed a man in HK to murder his pregnant wife and flee to Taiwan and avoid criminal prosecution; you shouldn’t support the HK protests.

      Is your government still using “prisoner’s of conscience” as an organ donor pool

      Glad we’re taking the claims of religious zealots as established fact

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        Don’t try to equate a bill that allows someone to make a choice to decrease prison time, with a concentration camp where they harvest organs and hair, and “reeducate” people to believe China #1. One is dumb, the other is evil.

        I get worried sometimes about my country’s (Australia) invasive online privacy laws. China doesn’t allow proper internet access, and if you think you have nothing to worry about, just Baidu-search “Tiananmen Square 1989” or “why did the Dalai Lama leave Taiwan”. I’m sure you’ll be fine…

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    “How’s life in China ?”

    “We can’t complain.”

    "Really, that’s great. "

    “No, we seriously can’t !”

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      Freedom coming to China real soon, just like: Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, Uganda, Niger, Iraq again, Syria, Libya again…

      edit: again…

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          Yeah, it’s quite unlikely, we’re both making too much money off each other.
          It all depends on Taiwan and the SCS regional partners now.

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            I mean even discarding that. Hypothetically, let’s say the US and China declare war on each other. Neither country would be able to invade the other. I mean, the US is good at force projection, but how in the world would any nation conduct an amphibious invasion of a country like China and manage supply lines across the Pacific sufficient to support an invasion force?

            It just… it doesn’t make coherent sense.

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              The US could definitely do that, their logistics capabilities are immense. On top of that you have the submarine fleet, as well as assistance from regional allies. Probably not enough to take the entire country, but enough for it to capitulate through conventional means.

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                I mean we could land an army and send them support, just not enough to execute a conquest of China. Home field advantage is a major thing, you know