i really didn’t want to have clear cut examples of fascism grow in my country to this meme, but i guess here we are.

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    Really, you can’t think of any examples of fascism growing in Canada? The giant trucker anti-vax movement? Poilievre’s fringe party and conservative attacks on trans rights, women’s rights, and people’s access to healthcare? You might just want to look a little harder, because this just looks weak

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      Really, you can’t think of any examples of fascism growing in Canada? The giant trucker anti-vax movement?

      I refuse to dismiss the entirety of the trucker protests off as an “anti-vax movement” as i have shamefully in the past, while i agree their leaders were fucked, pat king w/ his superior race comments, and the MOU stating they only recognize the federal government as as the governor general and senate. not to mention that an stupid amount of money in the gofundme leaks came from foreign shores.

      They were the only option (from a lack of proper leftist organization) available for Canadians who have been suffering from rising costs of food, gas, rent, utilities, who are angry, confused and, probably misinformed especially as the government was doing a rather insufficient pandemic (an ongoing one mind you) response for the people as small shops closed down, and seemingly more focused on the corporations. it was a good mix of reactionaries and legitimate people with legitimate concerns, we should learn from our mistakes and do a better job of explaining to the people on a more intimate person to person level and at doing government policies.

      if you are willing to entertain a socialist view on this (they are god damn trots though), but yeah you’re right in being aware it was a fair split of reactionaries, crypto-fascists, and people with genuine concerns (kind of like right now)

      Poilievre’s fringe party and conservative attacks on trans rights, women’s rights, and people’s access to healthcare?

      you are absolutely right that the assaults on trans rights, women rights and, the privatization of public health care is concerning, this again i imagine has most likely been a mix of reactionaries and crypto-fascists who again have sus backgrounds leading people who most likely have valid concerns that were never addressed and mislead immensely (but when you live next to the massive American media machine and their capital is magnitudes more than that of any leftist creator, it’s an uphill battle all the way).

      You might just want to look a little harder, because this just looks weak

      i hope we both understand that poilievre is an “economic liberal/ neo liberal” and that most parties in canada a “liberal democracy” can be said to be “liberal”.

      i should make no illusion to the idea that poilievre is using the hunka debacle to garner more votes, my disdain extends to him as well, mind you he has been careful with his words and not use the word “nazi” because he too wants the Ukrainian diaspora votes, and the fact is, a non negligible amount of ukrainians consider the 14 waffen ss and their ilk to be heros abroad (not an annual national holiday, nation wide commemoration of the 110th birthday of the collaborator, which is jan 1) and at home

      edit: when i said clear cut i hope to express that i doubt most people will know of hitlers policies towards transpeople, but the gradual progression of:

      letting nazis in country < nazis accidentally honoured by country’s gov < nazis honoured by msm country’s news paper

      is a progression most unread people will understand, a progression most people will find concerning because… i do nazi them nazi-ng it lol

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        We (leftists, socialist, communists) are out organized.

        Pierre just wants the reigns he doesn’t actually give a shit, nobody has said anything about the ss monuments or Jack, they’re all equally spineless, the way I see it is PP tjust wants the position and is smearing him trying to pin it to JT.

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    this is basically what is happening with the AfD in germany. we let them have an audience, so they continued to spread hatred. and now they are getting voted into power, literal nazis btw.

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      There is not that big a difference between the AfD and the “mainstream” parties in Germany. The AfD normalizes fascism domestically but the SPD and Greens are currently doing the same abroad. The AfD propagate islamophobic racism and want to murder migrants while the more mainstream parties prefer their racism with a russophobic flavor and love to send heavy weaponry (and possibly Bundeswehr soldiers if a recent story about this is to be believed) to Ukraine to kill Russians. This ostensibly “center-left” coalition government has been the biggest European supporter of Ukraine’s fascist regime. The only country that has sent more weapons to Ukrainian Nazis than Germany is the US. Just the other day we had a post here with a story about how the German government refuses to say that Azov or even oldschool Nazi Ukrainian SS divisions can be classified as right wing extremists. They allowed the Ukrainian ambassador, a rabid Banderite, to engage in holocaust revisionism and glorify holocaust perpetrators while in Germany with virtually zero protest from the German government. They have also passed laws that allow them to imprison you for simply speaking out in favor of Russia. They can freeze your bank accounts and go after your family if you do journalism from the wrong side of the contact line (see the case of Alina Lipp). All of this sounds pretty damn fascist to me. Between the AfD’s xenophobia and flirting with neonazis domestically and the Greens’ unhinged warmongering and support of Nazis abroad it’s hard to tell which is worse.

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      Honestly they aren’t much worse than the Ampel, one might even argue that they are better since they want to leave NATO. Problem is they probably won’t do that even if they came to power because the US would just buy them all, doubt neo Nazis have any form of ideological integrity