The MPA is back at it again.
  • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.socialEnglish
    991·
    7 months ago

    I wonder if there’s a way to obscure IPs on the side of a torrent tracker. Like an inverse VPN.

    Tbh though, I feel like in this day and age they’re gonna have a hard time cracking down on torrents. VPNs are easier to use and more accessible than ever. Just remember to recommend VPN usage when someone asks about trackers, torrent programs, etc.

    Edit: also this is pure bullshit, I can’t believe anyone actually believes this in this day and age:

    In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.”

    Pretending it actually does hurt ticket sales, you know damn well companies wouldn’t use the money to hire more people, Rivkin. They’d use the money to find new ways of cutting costs, aka jobs.

    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      392·
      7 months ago

      If someone actually want to see the movie in a theater, they are going to buy a ticket since watching a shaky cell phone recording is in no way comparable to actually watching a movie on the big screen.

        • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          21·
          7 months ago

          I don’t know. I watched about 5 minutes of one once before deleting it and never downloaded another cam after that. Obviously the MPA thinks a lot of people are watching them if they are still whining about it.

        • ShepherdPie@midwest.socialEnglish
          9·
          7 months ago

          That’s pretty much all you can find while a movie is in first run. Most sites I know of will actually delete prerelease movies (that aren’t cam rips) because they bring too much negative attention.

          • s08nlql9@lemm.eeOPEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            I remember watching The Purge in a movie theater with my dad. After the movie, i found out from my friend there was already a rip (clear copy) in torrent sites.

            I’m not sure if my country (in SEA region) is just slower in releasing movies compared to the west or if the movie is just not good in theaters so theres already dvd for it.

    • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      7 months ago

      Also, they just translate estimated number of downloads to potentially sold tickets 1:1 (they always have). As if a pirate would actually watch all that shit if they had to pay for it. Many probably even don’t after download (like Steam games on sale).

      • Damage@feddit.itEnglish
        12·
        7 months ago

        Especially if it’s torrents on private trackers where you download stuff you don’t want just to build up ratio

        • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
          32·
          7 months ago

          Trackers that make users do that are plainly scams. Probably run by the mpaa to slow down piracy.

          It creates a deadlock where nobody dowloads and nobody uploads. 500 seeds terabytes wasted, sitting with idle internet connections, nobody downloading.

            • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11·
              7 months ago

              I’m leaving space for the possibility that some of them aren’t run by the average zero sum idiots that plague the internet and real life. But probably yes, all private trackers I’ve wasted my time joining, have been this kind of stupid shit, resource and time wasting shit.

              Public trackers are far far superior and the only source of torrents to grace my seedboxes.

              • Damage@feddit.itEnglish
                2·
                7 months ago

                You don’t know what you’re missing, good private trackers are much, much better.

    • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
      222·
      7 months ago

      People who watch literal recordings of movies from inside a movie theater are psychopaths who really, really don’t care about quality. I highly doubt they are the target audience of movie ticket sales.

      • noisypine@infosec.pubEnglish
        21·
        7 months ago

        I buy movie tickets and I also watch cams. Sometimes I watch before, because I can’t make it to the theater yet, sometimes afterwards so I can have a repeat watch. Sometimes I watch and the movie is trash, so I save money to spend on a different one. Sometimes the cam rips aren’t good enough to watch, other times, they are near DVD quality.

        I have been watching cams and going to the movie theater since the 90s and I doubt that will change, but I never understand the hatred aimed at people who watch cams. Why bash on people who are enjoying something that you do not?

        • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
          6·
          7 months ago

          At this point it’s just a meme. I mean I definitely don’t get it, but I have nothing against you as a person lol.

    • BigMacHole@lemm.eeEnglish
      9·
      7 months ago

      As we’ve seen the past couple years companies NEVER fire people! UNLESS people are STEALING their Products!

    • Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish
      7·
      7 months ago

      Trackers already do this. It’s impossible to actually hide your IP without a proxy. Trackers insert fake/random IPs into the list. DMCA requests require the requesting party to actually download a chunk of data successfully because of it.

    • Davel23@fedia.io
      51·
      7 months ago

      I wonder if there’s a way to obscure IPs on the side of a torrent tracker. Like an inverse VPN.

      The torrent protocol is peer-to-peer, all clients connect directly to each other. The tracker is just there to tell how clients to connect to each other, and that requires IP addresses.

      • ddh@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        I don’t think that’s true for I2P torrents; there are a number of hops between you, the tracker and peers.

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    641·
    7 months ago

    It is far more convenient to pirate than to buy media legally, due to the extreme and purposeful fragmentation of streaming services and their constantly changing libraries. If you want people to pirate less, make your service(s) competitive.

    • Night Monkey@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      20·
      7 months ago

      Not just competitive but available without platform limitations and special streaming contracts. Sports is the only thing keeping traditional cable alive and also drives digital TV subscriptions. The rest of the crap on TV is trash. Even then, it should always be on demand without restrictions. And blackout areas.

  • Pilgrim@beehaw.orgEnglish
    59·
    7 months ago

    Maybe instead of spending more on lawyers, just consolidate the streaming services again so they’re more attractive than piracy?

    • m-p{3}@lemmy.caEnglish
      49·
      7 months ago

      Fuck that, let me buy DRM-free movies. We can do it for music, books and games. Movies and TV shows are next.

      • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        251·
        7 months ago

        I’d spend a lot more money on TV and movies if I could get them without DRM and in high quality. No question. Both in streaming and in disc form.

        • asexualchangeling@lemmy.mlEnglish
          6·
          7 months ago

          Same with games while we’re at it, there are games I got for free that I would rather pirate so it doesn’t have the DRM than download and install the copy I have legal access to

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        7 months ago

        DVDs and Blurays are still pretty common. They’re not actually DRM-free, but DVD DRM is completely broken and BR decryption keys seem to be easily obtained. And you can rip the disc if you want to make a digital copy.

        • Որբունի@jlai.luEnglish
          22·
          7 months ago

          They have DRM, even if easy to go around it, it doesn’t make sense to pay loads for a shitty medium with obstacles to getting what’s on it… it sends the wrong message to the criminal organisations peddling them.

    • OminousOrange@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      7 months ago

      I feel like that’s the opposite of what we want. Perhaps a storefront where one could choose what they want from different providers for a reasonable price would be good, but consolidation leads to *opolies, which are never good for consumers.

      • BenGFHC@kbin.social
        7·
        7 months ago

        Wasn’t Netflix basically that? One store front for films and TV shows produced by different companies. Pay a flat monthly fee and get access to the libraries from every production company.

    • Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      7 months ago

      I think that will work wonders!! We love convenience and fair pricing and people are willing to pay for a good service.

      • MajorHavoc@programming.devEnglish
        12·
        7 months ago

        Disney+ plans to keep absorbing competitors until they aquire one that knows how to write a working mobile app.

  • roguetrick@kbin.social
    51·
    7 months ago

    They’re instituting this for the generation that grew up with Vpns so they could watch pirate streaming sites on their school Wi-Fi? Good fucking luck.

    • The Dark Lord ☑️@lemmy.caEnglish
      47·
      7 months ago

      No one said they’re smart.

      If they were smart, they would spend their money making their platforms more enticing than piracy. Instead, they spend it on lawyers.

      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
        111·
        7 months ago

        They are decrepit dinosaurs killing grandmas for an industry that died 10 years ago. A violent hate machine running on fumes that must be destroyed for humanity’s sake.

        This time the glove come off from the get go. DIE MPAA FREAKS !

  • invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    37·
    7 months ago

    Try fixing all the fucking subscription services and we won’t want to stream or clone a copy of media which you never owned because its virtually non existent

    • NaoPb@eviltoast.orgEnglish
      9·
      7 months ago

      I still disagree with the notion made up by punlishers that you buy a dvd or cd you somehow only buy a license to view it. I never agreed to that and you can’t just print text on something to make it so.

      Ofcourse I don’t have the right to make reproduction but owning the physical product should make me the owner.

      Maybe not related to your comment but I wanted to rage about this.

  • bastardsheep@aussie.zoneEnglish
    30·
    7 months ago

    Every report on piracy I read points out that the biggest pirates are also the biggest spenders on “legitimate” media, streaming, cinema tickets. This will only increase purchase of such things by a rounding error. It won’t be the money spinner they’re hoping for. It’ll reduce the number of people that view shows & movies, and have a more significant effect on viral and organic hype.

    • MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Its the whales and the people that can’t afford to buy more media than they already do.

      If the industry actually got the big spenders to do away with their self-hosting/data-archive setups, they won’t actually put that money into more media, as they’re already budgetting a set amount for the media itself which is not going to increase.

  • CaptDust@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    23·
    7 months ago

    The ideal process would allow creatives across the film, TV, music, and book industries to go to court, where they can request that internet service providers block access to websites with pirated content.

    Surely the sites will actually have to host the content this time, right? Not just chasing harmless index files again?

    • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      15·
      7 months ago

      They’ll get the government to ban require all VPNs that operate in the USA to keep logs. Cause the bad people in foreign countries use them to to the big bad anti American things.

      Mullvad has already blocked port forwarding likely to placate these same groups

      • far_university1990@feddit.deEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        No, port forwarding removed because hosting threatened to kick mullvad out. Lot of shit hosted through that. No hosting, no vpn, so needed to remove to continue operate.

        Pressure on host probably caused by those group though.

  • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    21·
    7 months ago

    How are they gonna site block? If they block through the ISP’s DNS, change your DNS. If they block through IP, well America is turning into China with its great firewall lol. Either way, if they manage to take down piratebay (good luck) we should run our own DHT crawlers like Bitmagnet (https://bitmagnet.io/), or torrent through i2p

    This is to be expected, corporations will fight tooth and nail for every penny. We need to fight back to make piracy resilient regardless of the whims of the MPA and the law. Because piracy transcends the law.