• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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    11 days ago

    In the short term yes you’re right.

    But look at the populist anger this action sparked. These kind of extrajudicial killings that rile up the population, are very much associated with revolutions and changes in power. (Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad).

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      11 days ago

      Dude, America just elected a plutocrat dictator. There’s not going to be socialized medicine any time in the near future and insurance companies will pass the cost of their security teams on to the people forced to pay for their needless existences.

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        11 days ago

        That plutocrat was elected through a manipulation of populist rage.

        Check out the policy proposal forums RFK and Trump set up for their supporters. Expanding Medicare has more upvotes than downvotes

        Paul Krugmann wrote an interesting piece touching on this yesterday (Gift Article) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/opinion/elites-euro-social-media.html?unlocked_article_code=1.gU4.cSdP.OL0VogKNmVT3&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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          11 days ago

          What difference does that make now? Why do you think they actually care what their supporters want?

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            I don’t. But it means that these people may not be so far from the same ideal as us. Which matters in convincing people for a revolution, and elections later on (if they still will be free and fair after Trump).

            In fact, polling showed, a substantial number of people in 2016 and 2020 went from Bernie voting in primaries to voting Trump. The people want someone who isn’t scared to criticise neoliberal elitism.

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                Well Trump was president in 2016 and we had a free election in 2020. But even if 2028 is not free, the current situation is that the vast majority of the country is boiling in anti-elite sentiment, this could lead to a revolution.

                I’m sorry if I’m not conforming with you pessimistic or what you might call “realist” views. But I’m not going to give up. I’m not going to let facism win. We can only achieve a better future if we start imagining it and believing in it. If Facism wins I get murdered. I’m doing everything to not let that happen.

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                  Trump didn’t have all three branches of government on his side. He also didn’t literally say he was going to be a dictator. It’s not pessimism, it is realism.

                  Do you think he was just joking when he said he was going to be a dictator?

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                    It’s not pessism to admit Trump is a wannabe dictator.

                    It’s pessimism to sit there complaining about it without imagining paths and working towards a better alternative.

                    I’m not one of these “anti-electoralism” people. I vote, and I think voting maters. But a lot more matters than just voting.

                    You can’t just say “oh well we did our best” after you lose the electionand let facism happen. You gotta fight, you gotta advocate, you gotta defend those who need it.

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          Expanding Medicare has more upvotes than downvotes

          You really think this represents US society at large? I think you’ll need a better source than that.