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    I am becoming a believer that it isnt weakness, its complicity. The weakness is just a good facade to hide the truth.

    It also shouldnt be surprising, the government is just a capitalist mouth piece.

    “Fuck you I got mine” should be printed on our money

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    "I affirm your identity! You’re free to be who you are without shame! As you die in a cardboard box under a freeway of exposure for failing to be exploited well enough, and as an intentional threat to the other poories to keep laboring for their corpo bribers. 🤷

    Ooh, but here, have a ribbon! I hear they’re quite tasty when boiled."

    They’re not the primary villain, those are the corpo Fascists, but they’re sure as shit the bumbling secondary antagonist. The Denethor to Sauron.

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      Its all wedge issues. Keep us arguing about stuff that doesn’t get in the way of capitalism and you wont demand a better life. Hell many of us will even defend the party that aligns with our side of a wedge issue because “At least it isnt the other one i hate”, and while i understand voting for the lesser evil, we all do it, I will never understand defending the lesser evil. If 2 people are stabbing me to death I wont thank the one using a smaller knife.

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      That won’t fix things, though. The Democratic party can’t go against its base, the bourgeoisie, it acts like a great filter. An actual worker party, like PSL, needs to be built up and supported instead.

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        Bernie has literally stated that he only runs as a Dem because of the 2 party system and would otherwise be an independent which is the case with most progressives.

        Turning up your nose at 2 perfectly good candidates in favor of some non-existent hypothetical candidate is crazy.

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          Correct, Bernie’s strategy also hasn’t worked. As a Communist I don’t consider Bernie and AOC to be “perfectly good,” and the 2 party system itself needs to be overthrown in order to be fixed, which isn’t happening at the ballot box either.

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            Bernie and those like him have informed me and many others of what a good politician can look like and may have inspired others like AOC to start their career. I will support them as much as I can because they may inspire even more like them to actually have enough people to make a meaningful change in the party or, if we miraculously get away from the two party system, spin up a new one.

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              Bernie certainly isn’t as bad as, say, Fetterman, but he has his fair share of bad policy (especially foreign policy, which ends up just being justification for US Imperialism), and due to how the 2 party system works the Democrats will never be able to truly be “taken over” by progressives, as that would hurt their donor-base, the bourgeoisie. A genuine worker party is necessary, but it will not be capable of being reformist, it must be revolutionary, ie PSL.

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                I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding, and I am rubbed the wrong way by how you continue to seem to push that I shouldn’t support better politicians just because they aren’t perfect.

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                  I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding

                  If what you are saying is that the democratic party could change because we vote in enough progressives then I have a bridge to sell you. The capitalists who own the government would just out-finance progressive election attempts. Think of how many progressives we would need to have it impact the whole Dem party, now think about how many elections that is where the entire force of the media is against the politician who will actually fight for you. Now consider how easily manipulated our wildly uneducated population is.

                  I know its a bitter pill to swallow but capitalism has already destroyed democracy long ago. It is just that we have been in decline for so long now that it is finally becoming unavoidably obvious.

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                  Not trying to be mean, but how do you envision the DNC changing its tune?

                  As for your bit on me implying only perfection is acceptable, that’s not my stance, rather what I consider acceptable is pretty different. Again, I’m a Communist, that doesn’t mean I need my candidate to start a guerilla war from the mountains against their local Wal-Mart, but it does mean I hold stock in anti-US Imperialism and a dedication to bringing about Socialism, which at this point does require revolution.

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          You are in .ml, of course they would advocate for someone further left than Bernie and AOC no matter how implausible their ideas are.

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            To be clear, AOC’s and Bernie’s ideas don’t seem to have a real path to implementation. Marxists aren’t idealists, we are practical and are Materialists, and part of that practicality is understanding that policies can sound good, but without a path to implementation they might as well be ghosts, even if they are more moderate ideas.

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              Funny how their “marxist” ideas are and have been implemented in Europe for 80+ years.

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                I didn’t call Bernie or AOC Marxists, rather they are Social Democrats. I myself am a Marxist-Leninist and am speaking as one, hence “we.” Social Democracies in the Nordics are built on Imperialism, that’s how they sustain themselves, and only have the privledges they do because the bourgeoisie was afraid of revolution like in Russia when it first went Socialist.

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    It goes against their interests to promote class consciousness, same applies to any electoral party (even those considering themselves on the left), not just the dems or liberal parties of Europe. Class consciousness develops outside the electoral system.

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    Everyone is seeing for their own interests. We really need people in power that HATE being in a power.

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      I mean, politicians get paid pennies compared to CEO-s with massive risks, why would any intelligent & honest person consider being a politician. Cold fact is, being an honest politician is the worst employment opportunity ever.

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        I hold true to the notion that a representative government with representatives selected at random would be much better then what we have.

        There would still be appointed positions but replace most elected posistions with a lottery and go from there.

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      Doubting that this is the case, seeing how they are trying to push back against protests against Republicans, is just delusional. I refuse to believe them to be so incompetent, that they constantly act against their own interests and boost MAGA message instead. Bernie gets way more attention from the public than everything they are doing right now combined, and they barely acknowledge he exists.

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        They deliberately act incompetent. And they have the same interests as the other side of the uniparty since they have the same donors and are ment to serve them, not the public.
        And it’s not their own controlled opposition Bernie that they want to shut up or furiously andsuddenly competently work to get off the ballots, but real left 3rd party candidates.
        They have their Bernies and squad members for the sole reason to keep their voters running away from them.

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    The Republicans are a mass shooter massacring children inside a school

    The Democrats are the Uvalde police department

    They’re just standing around holding their dicks LETTING it happen completely unopposed.

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    At this point it feels like they were only ever there to give the illusion of choice.

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      It seems pretty clear to me. Just suggesting that people who were advocating for that third party lady had some valid point and should at least be heard got me downcited to hell. Not saying people should voye for her, just saying listen to people who do vote for her get their point. This instant reaction to third party let me believe that choice is the last thing the system wants. Even after the election the idea of New parties kept being ridiculed, even though it would be the best time to push for it. I’m not saying that dr last is the right person. But you need options.

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        Even after the election the idea of New parties kept being ridiculed, even though it would be the best time to push for it.

        They’ve been doing this in particular for at least 24 years, since the 2000 election. It has been obvious that FPTP needs to go this entire time. And still only a handful of Democrats oppose it.

        When election season rolls around, they’ll say that you just started and should wait for a more convenient season. They’ll tell you that the third party isn’t built up enough yet, and should go from 0 to 51% votes as all spherical voters coordinate perfectly.

        They’ll tell you to “push for” all sorts of stuff without actually holding anyone accountable. Just protest with a sign that says “I’ll still vote for you but pretty please change”.

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          They are the moderates that MLK wrote of.

          I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

          I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

          In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn’t this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn’t this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn’t this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God’s will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom.

          I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: “All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.” Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.

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      Democrats talk big game, but somehow always seem to be too weak to get anything done. However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.

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        However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.

        I think this is because of FDR

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            That’s one of the reasons. Another reason is FDR painted Democratic Party as party for the workers with his social policies when served as president

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              Kinda? That wasn’t because of FDR, more it was a response to increasing Communist sympathies as a way to prevent revolution. FDR was responding to the political climate, it wasn’t a decision made out of context.

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      When republicans are in power democrats are powerless because they are in the minority When democrats are in power they somehow are still powerless to do anything meaning full because "republican are preventing " them from doing anything The only time they seem to be able to do something is to crush any attempt to change the status quo in favor of the working class.