Lemmy world was growing at a decent pace leading up to July 1st, then had a big influx following the API deadline. However the last week in particular has seen a decline.
Engagement still appears to be the same, although a little lower than the start of the month. A few of the other instances i have been checking follow a similar pattern.
Do you think we will continue growing at a steady pace, or do we need another big trigger to get users to migrate? For Mastodon, it seems there’s a big trigger every other week to drive users away from Twitter, but with Reddit, the revolt seems to have quietened down considerably.
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I’m pretty sure most of the people who will come here as a result of Reddit are already here. All the new Reddit refugees are probably getting over the hype with Lemmy/Kbin and are finally not pouring so much time into the platforms. And as a result, slowing growth numbers and tapering engagement. Its pretty natural and nothing to be worried about. There’s still plenty of engagement here (just look at what happened to Threads a couple weeks after it came out).
Regardless, we should focus on making Lemmy/Kbin a fully fleshed out platform and draw in users the natural way rather than relying on Reddit falling off for new users. At this point in time, the Reddit blackout is pretty much over.
Might as well throw in my rant here, as I’m against this sentiment of not wanting Lemmy/Kbin to grow more and possibly even get mainstream. I get keeping out the undesirables of Reddit and other social media to prevent an Eternal September situation, but I also want more people of different backgrounds and interests rather than the same Reddit critic/tech enthusiast type of crowd. The great thing about federation is that if you want a smaller and more tight knit/topic centered community, there are smaller servers to join (not so much for Lemmy/Kbin at the moment since they are new, but it should get better over time). We can’t seriously want Lemmy/Kbin to develop well if we voice desires to keep people out and rebuild echo chambers. Lots of smaller communities and topics have little activity because there’s really only one group of people here right now.
I think we’re going to be seeing new waves of Reddit users on a fairly regular basis. Steve Huffman likes to roll these things out slowly in drips and drops, and it is very unlikely that this move alone will make reddit significantly more profitable to run. If he wants to do an IPO soon then he’s going to need to make some more choices that really annoy the users (banning porn seems like an obvious one, even though he’s said something like he’s fighting to keep porn on reddit). They’re going to keep cracking down in dumb and obvious ways on things and redditors will abandon ship just as soon as something they care about gets in some way messed with.
Don’t forget that redditors have left reddit in large chunks dozens of times in the past.
It does feel a little dead here. Right now it’s mostly memes, meta discussions, or Reddit hate. And the crowd is a very specific type of hyper aware internet dweller (myself included).
Reddit isn’t worth using without third party apps, and it’s the only social media I used before Lemmy, so I’m spending a lot more time off my phone nowadays. I only check the daily top on Lemmy once a day instead of compulsively every time I touch my phone. Guess that’s a good thing.
It does feel a little dead here.
This is also partly to blame on the sorting algorithm. There is an active PR to improve this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3378 (Relevant issue: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3622)
I’m fairly sure Reddit has something similar so users don’t keep seeing the same one popular community again and again.
For context, Reddit used to (5 years ago?) show multiple posts from the same community on /r/all, then they implemented a unique function that made it so only one post per sub was shown in the top X. This greatly improved /r/all. It was controversial and well documented.
It was weird at first but it really helped engagement and medium sized communities. I think if that PR makes it it would greatly improve Lemmy too.
I blocked the major meme subs (coms?) and my experience here has been much, much better. Free yourself of last year’s memes and explore all the interesting links getting posted
Yes, those meme communities are very active and drown other posts from other communities. Unsubscribing them drastically improve my experience. I can sort by New now and see Posts from communities I subscribed to. And unlike Reddit, new posts got pretty good engagements here, perhaps because other people browse by New too.
“very active” meaning nonstop reposts of last year’s top reddit memes by bots or humans acting like bots
I don’t want Lemmy to be reddit 2.0
It’s fine, memes also have their audience. I also blocked all of the communities, but to each their own
It’s what filters are for. Don’t complain - configure.
…did you skip my first comment?
I don’t care what your argument is.
I don’t want Lemmy to be reddit 2.0
The sorting algorithm fixes can’t come soon enough IMO. Small subs are dead because they simply can’t show up on the front page with most of the sorting algorithms that Lemmy has. That limits how much you’ll see in your feed and also makes Reddit a better product (due to all the niche subs it has that actually show up on the front page).
That’s a very good thing.
And to be honest, as selfish as this will sound, I wouldn’t want Lemmy to grow too much - unless the eternal september crowd can be contained.
I disagree. While I do like that the discussions and top level comments are not nearly as homogenized as Reddit eventually became, I’m really missing the niche communities. I wasn’t subscribed to any large subs on Reddit, so my feed was basically just a curated list of discussions for my hobbies. No memes, news, pop culture, internet drama, or politics. Right now, that’s just not possible on Lemmy due to the low population.
Give it time. Lemmy is still very fresh, but I’m confident smaller niche communities will keep popping up and it will eventually add up. Region and country locales seems to be doing well.
Yeah, the lack of many of my favorite niche communities makes me constantly wonder if I should just “suck it up” and go back to Reddit. I miss so many of them. If I wanna discuss a particular TV show or video game, often I just don’t have much of an option here, cause the community specific to that TV show or game is very likely dead.
We also don’t yet have many interesting text post subs that I liked to read on Reddit, like AITA, Best of Legal Advice, Best of Redditor Updates, Hobby Drama, etc.
Similarly, my local city sub is pretty dead (and never shows up on the front page cause the sorting algorithms suck). So I barely have any local interaction anymore! I met real life people on Reddit and it was great for getting advice from others who live in my city.
Give it time
Don’t care, there’s enough content to keep me happy and I plan to stay here until there’s not
According to the Fediverse Observer, Posts and Comments are still growing day-by-day. It’s definitely slower growth, but as long as it stays healthy and active it will continue to have growth spurts as the enshittification of the rest of the web continues.
And the best thing at can do is post and comment to let people know we’re active and alive!
Yeah that’s a good idea. Maybe I should stop lurking so hard.
Don’t know don’t care. There’s a community here now and it’s healthy.
Honestly, I want half of the people on reddit… to just STAY on reddit.
There is a lot of toxicity that I don’t want here…
There is a lot of toxicity that I don’t want here…
It already is… :(
It absolutely is… And I’m starting to burn out of this place more everyday.
It could be far worse. But, its not that bad yet.
Yea, I don’t want to sound like I’m arguing here, but there is a generally negative vibe that is being replicated here on lemmy as it was on reddit:
- Too many Elon Musk twitter posts
- Too much climate change doom & gloom
- Too much political doom & gloom
The toxicity is already here when you browse “All.” I’ve just blocked most of the offending communities for a better experience. The list grows longer every day… but that’s just my opinion. I think we can all agree that browsing “All” is like playing mental health on nightmare mode.
Sorry, I stand corrected. Found myself into a thread where apparently half of lemmy thinks that vandalizing others peoples property is ok… because they drive an SUV.
Yep, I got downvoted for suggesting that vandalizing the car was not a good plan…
Edit: I think you’re actually talking about a different thread. Lemmy needs therapy.
Perhaps that is why our experiences differ- I only look at my subscribed communities.
Which- in my case, ALL would yield around the same results as I run a pretty small server over here.
Although, after testing, that does not appear to be the case.
ALL:
Subscribed:
Not- a drastic difference- but, a noticeable one.
I Imagine this difference is especially noticeable on the larger servers though.
What’s the rush? Rome wasn’t built in a day. If people are happy (enough) with it now it will grow with time and at the pace it should.
If things get too big too quickly then the cake will always collapse.
I like the amount of content here right now and things will diversify gradually over time.
Most people seem to forget their Reddit accounts were more than 8,9,10+ years old and a lot changed over that period.
The exodus from reddit has stabilized and we’ve made this place our experimental home. That wave is over. We won’t get another wave until some of the kinks are smoothed out. If we have fewer shutdowns and better apps then I bet we’ll get steady growth. Also it might take a while for people to realize that lemmy is easier to use than mastodon, which gave federation a bad name for most normies.
Yep, I’ve migrated but my time spent browsing Lemmy vs Reddit has tanked. Less than 10% of my previous time. This is due to still waiting for a Sync for Lemmy release and lemmy.world having issues with session. I’ve been unable to log in consistently since the hack.
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I’m new to this. What are instances?
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I think it’s as you say. Lemmy’s growth is going to happen in waves, until it has reached a critical mass that sustains its own “weight”, in terms of growth.
You have to remember that this is no commercial platform, with little advertisement, which is made by its own users. Growth is bound to be slow, at first.
Not only that, we want it to be slow. Being a server admin at the moment is racing from fire to fire. The Lemmy software needs to mature a bit before it will be ready for the less-technical users.
As a user I disagree. But I do understand your side
anecdotally; the lack of content and relatively steep learning fediverse learning curve compared to reddit both make it easy enough to understand why lemmy & the fediverse haven’t reached into the millions of users yet.
i’m a reddit refugee and i’ve handcuffed my ability to participate in reddit because i’m still angry about the api changes. i also work in technical, but i still struggle to understand all of lemmy’s (and the fediverse’s) quirks. both result me me still spending more time on reddit as an unregistered lurker than with lemmy as a member who can participate.
also we can see how it turns out the ones who migrate to lemmy is really a tiny minority, majority of people still using reddit like usual and most people dont want to use 2 website to just browse stuff they can already do in reddit
that makes sense to me because reddit has all of the content that lemmy has plus a LOT more.
i suspect that i will have to rejoin reddit so that i don’t miss (my) world shaking events like the recent red hat shift that lemmy completely ignored.
Actually I like having a “smaller” space. Reddit was already way too big, with an anonymous giant blob of users. I wouldn’t even have bothered writing an answer like I do now, since it would have been buried under 100s of other posts and comments within seconds. Sometimes smaller and slower are positive features, at least to me.
The only issue with the smaller space is the niche instances. One of the things I loved about reddit was finding communities for hobbies and interests. With something small you are sometimes lucky to have 20 people in an instance and then even less posting or engaging with content.
Lemmy, we, are not a corporation. In fact, exponential growth is BAD since the instance admins have to spend more money and work to keep it running. There is no financial benefit to chase the numbers. Let it grow organically.
Don’t imagine for a second that Reddit is done pissing off its users. All it takes for lemmy to win is keep improving reliability and usability.
I think there are 2 groups coming from reddit. 1- Users wanting a more niche community (think early reddit) 2- Users trying to turn Lemmy into present day Reddit. Theres a good amount of communities that are carbon copies of reddit subs. Personally I think that reddit has morphed into something toxic (Ive had a reddit account for 15 years). While its good to have growth, nobody wants to use a site that is so popular that Aunt Betty is chiming in with her love jesus memes.
That’s fine. Just do our things here, and when Reddit eventually shoot their own foot again, the next wave of refugees will have an alternative ready, unlike us a few months ago where there was confusion over where to migrate.
Kind of lucky the Fediverse version of Reddit worked out as the main alternative while Mastodon and Bluesky duked it out and then Threads came out of nowhere.
Also IMO the Lemmy apps are better than Mastodon… I admit I was one of the people who got too confused to get on Mastodon but I figured out Lemmy just fine.
