edit: i should make explicit. this meme is prodding at liberals humanizing the soldier of the 14th Waffen SS (1st Galicia) recently honoured in the canadian house of commons. this meme is showing off a ww2 ukrainian nazi unit in a fashion similarly done with the “brave soldiers of afghanistan” who would later become the taliban.
the joke is, we would eventually glorify and humanize them as well with enough time
Tankies simping for Russian nazis by parroting their bullshit rhetoric is just… ugh
Remind me again, which side is whitewashing the SS?
I don’t know, which one is it? I’m not aware of any side actually painting the ss in a positive light, except for the imagination of Russians where the west is praising nazis all the time.
Assuming that’s what you meant with “whitewashing”, because that ain’t what it means
Was the entire collective Canadian parliament giving an SS soldier a standing ovation and raucous applause, followed by defending it, not “praising Nazis”?
The USA, Canada, and many of their allies fought to save as many Nazis from Nuremberg as they could. USA and Nazi Germany inspired each other. Nazi officers, generals, scientists, politicians, and others were given intense PR rehabilitation and integrated into Western society; many were immediately given their old positions back in Western Germany.
The USA and its allies supported fascism over and over and over again in the Middle East, Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe. Even in Western Europe, they set forth with Operation Gladio where Neo Nazi paramilitaries would be funneled weapons and arms, ready to strike and kill civilians should the peoples of Europe rise against their ruling classes.
Twice in recent years, the UN has proposed legislation to “combat Nazism/Neo Nazism and its glorification.” Each time, the USA and Ukraine were the only ones who voted “no,” and the only ones who abstained from voting were the rest of the US’s allies.
I’m sorry my friend but if you live in the West, you live as a part of a Nazi Empire. We were committing industrial genocide before the Nazis were shitting diapers.
Where were you when the Canadian parliament gave an standing ovation to a member of the SS ?
They conveniently didn’t mention he was a SS, but a “veteran who fought for ukrainian independence against russian aggressors”. That’s literally what whitewashing is, to gloss over or cover up stuff, in this case being a SS member.
Its only “russian propaganda” because they got caught.
twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1706748191301845392#m or https://nitter.net/DevanaUkraine/status/1706748191301845392#m
i’m pretty sure this is a real person
edit: not that i’m saying that all people of the UA are nazis.
tbh this meme refers to the recent hunka debacle with how suddenly there was a massive influx of liberals in my country trying to blur the line, stating that the 14 waffen SS were simply fighting the USSR and how hitler was a “lesser evil”.
i don’t get why you feel this would be immediately modern Russian propaganda, this is literally a ww2 unit lmao.
not mine i just found it amusing that eventually we’ll probably see some unironic post stating that “Hitler just wanted to solve the housing crisis, it was a difficult time, it was complicated, he was in a rock and a hard place, tough decisions were made”
Excuse me? Which side is the one ignoring Azov or pretending that it’s filled with perfectly nice people?
I don’t know, who is ignoring azov? When azov was still a thing - because they got decimated in Mariupol - everybody in the west knew they were nazi sympathisers. The problem was never “Russia is lying there are zero nazis”, it was “having a bunch of nazis integrated in the army doesn’t make it a nazi regime”. But yeah caricaturing the other side is very tempting.
Having a bunch of Nazis in your army, having a bunch of Nazis in your political body, sending children into Nazi radicalization summer schools, having an infinite source of photos of thugs with swastika tattoos and schoolchildren throwing Sieg Heil, international fascists all excited to go to kill Russians in Ukraine alongside their ideological brethren, (as letranger’s comment above reminds us) streets and holidays and events being named after brutal Nazis who slaughtered thousands of civilians, constant rhetoric since 2014 about how all Russians are “orcs” followed by routine violence against ethnic Russians, Jews, brown people, black people, and gay people in Ukraine that killed thousands before Russia did a single thing in this conflict, yeah this doesn’t mean it’s a Nazi regime though. Don’t you think if it was, Zelensky would have gone on TV to say, “Hey guys, we’re a Nazi regime!” ??? I mean prior to this war all the center-left mainstream Western news outlets were talking about how much corruption and how many Nazis were in Ukraine but really, that’s just insane Russian conspiracy. Stupid Russians don’t know a thing about what constitutes a Nazi, amiright? Oh wait, every country outside the West is either neutral or supports Russia? Sounds like there are 6.5 billion Russian bots on this planet…
Everyone in the West? That’s why John Stewart awarded an Azov member at Disney World right? You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
Azov is still a thing. As are Aidar, Tornado, Hurricane and many others. And nazis basically control the Ukr. government. Lots of open banderites in the government. And those Red/black flags you always see on pictures from ukraine? OUN flags, a fascist organization that worked with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust.
excerpt context: after the UA government had decided to add to the list the 110th birthday of nazi collaborator bandera to the list of days worthy of commemoration.
mind you there are streets named him. You aren’t even slightly suspicious that maybe the narrative we’re being told on MSM is fabricated?
Presumably both Dr. Efraim Zuroff and Mark Weitzman are ‘Russian trolls’.
Looking at the blinding speed of nazi normalisation in the west, soon they will be called “judeobolsheviks”
These “Russian nazis”, are they in the room with us right now?
Comment on threads you agree with instead of disagree with and you won’t feel frustrated enough to go ugh. I know its difficult. I have trouble with it sometimes too.
The main reason I like Lemmy is that not everything is a debate yet. It reminds me of the old forum I had for my private WoW server as a teenager.
Also, sometimes I ask myself if something really affects me, and if its worth stressing over. Some things are important, so rather than ask myself if it affects me, I ask if I can do anything about it. If its out of my control, then it may as well be sports.
You’re not wrong, but seeing people simp for Russia with all the information available is just triggering.
I could excuse nostalgic tankies because it’s normally people in their teens or twenties who have no idea what the ussr was about (we have nostalgic fascists too in Italy, what can you do) but actually simping for Russia in 2023 is unbelievable.
This shit appeared in my feed, as soon as I find a way to hide this tankie cesspool instance from it I’ll do it and move on
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