I mean even in nature, like tree, everything is a competition. In a forest if you are a tree and can’t outgrow or even catch up with everyone then you’re fallen behind and risking being covered by everyone else, eventually you’ll become weak and susceptible to termite and disease. Your example kinda fall apart, yeah?
Same in business. It’s really about sustainable growth and able to catch up, and also secure your own stability in the market. What if your machine broke down and it’s very expensive to repair or replace? What if your current equipment can’t catching up with the demand? What if your landlord wanted to sell the shop and you wanted to secure your location instead of moving, which also cost time and money? All these require a huge investment up front if you don’t take loan, and in business, these might take up a large chunk of available fund that can otherwise used for something else, or even as emergency fund if there’s market downturn.
To say it’s immoral is to say the forest is sinful.
Okay, so a forest is a living thing in itself. It’s a super organism. It grows organically, slowly expanding outwards. In the depths of the forest, trees fall occasionally, creating an opportunity for new trees to complete for the sunlight. They don’t just compete by growing, the forest also gives them nutrients through the mycelial network and chokes out threats. Natural systems form around these cycles
That’s great. I love forests
What you’re describing, is chopping down all the trees and replanting them. But that’s a farm, not a forest. It leads to weak trees with shallow roots, it leads to a weak forest prone to landslides where a natural forest would have held firm. It doesn’t have the ecosystem that would have naturally grown along with it, and would have enriched the soil and made the whole thing even more stable.
It produces a lot more wood, but it’s all weak and overextended
I think that’s a great example of what I’m referring to.
If anyone has access to these tools, everyone must use them, or someone else taking that shortcut will outgrow them and put them out of business. It’s a race to the bottom, everyone must extend themselves to their limits to compete, and so the whole system is always one bad storm away from disaster.
I’m saying that’s bad. It’s unstable and produces worse results by any metric but growth
If that essay is about the forest, then don’t bother, that’s just analogy and i simplify and leave out a lot of thing just so i can explain it.
And if you can’t bother with a real respond, why not just respond tomorrow instead? Or don’t respond. Instead you demand me to just ask again tomorrow? You aren’t my superior you know.
It’s crazy. They claimed they work in finance, but the lack of financial and economic knowledge coming out of their comment is saying otherwise. It’s either someone is trolling or had too much red pill that they see only black and white.
I definitely don’t work in finance lol, I’m sure I’ve never said that in my life
I’m a programmer who’s had to learn far more about accounting and debt vehicles than I’ve ever wanted to know
I’m just sick of people tell me I don’t know about economics because they took a few economics classes in college, and then refusing to actually make any points
I took micro and macro too, I understand the propoganda. It’s just bullshit. The world hasn’t worked like that for a while now, if it ever actually did
You can find plenty of economists who can explain exactly how we got here though
I think they’re just lying on the internet. “Debt is the ultimate evil and the cause of all of society’s problems also fuedalism was good” is some serious high schooler shit. It’s the perfect combination of complete lack of knowledge of the subject beyond a very surface level and an absolute conviction of their ideas that almost always comes from just being very young. Either that or they got into some bizarre fringe ideology where this is taught but I am not aware of one with this belief system. At first I thought it was some weird leftist thing since this is Lemmy after all but given the complete lack of knowledge of the writings of Marx and Lenin (who did not reject all of classical economics in favor of their ideas) I am really not sure.
I mean even in nature, like tree, everything is a competition. In a forest if you are a tree and can’t outgrow or even catch up with everyone then you’re fallen behind and risking being covered by everyone else, eventually you’ll become weak and susceptible to termite and disease. Your example kinda fall apart, yeah?
Same in business. It’s really about sustainable growth and able to catch up, and also secure your own stability in the market. What if your machine broke down and it’s very expensive to repair or replace? What if your current equipment can’t catching up with the demand? What if your landlord wanted to sell the shop and you wanted to secure your location instead of moving, which also cost time and money? All these require a huge investment up front if you don’t take loan, and in business, these might take up a large chunk of available fund that can otherwise used for something else, or even as emergency fund if there’s market downturn.
To say it’s immoral is to say the forest is sinful.
Okay, so a forest is a living thing in itself. It’s a super organism. It grows organically, slowly expanding outwards. In the depths of the forest, trees fall occasionally, creating an opportunity for new trees to complete for the sunlight. They don’t just compete by growing, the forest also gives them nutrients through the mycelial network and chokes out threats. Natural systems form around these cycles
That’s great. I love forests
What you’re describing, is chopping down all the trees and replanting them. But that’s a farm, not a forest. It leads to weak trees with shallow roots, it leads to a weak forest prone to landslides where a natural forest would have held firm. It doesn’t have the ecosystem that would have naturally grown along with it, and would have enriched the soil and made the whole thing even more stable.
It produces a lot more wood, but it’s all weak and overextended
I think that’s a great example of what I’m referring to.
If anyone has access to these tools, everyone must use them, or someone else taking that shortcut will outgrow them and put them out of business. It’s a race to the bottom, everyone must extend themselves to their limits to compete, and so the whole system is always one bad storm away from disaster.
I’m saying that’s bad. It’s unstable and produces worse results by any metric but growth
That’s not how forests work. At all. I don’t even know where to start on this
If you want a real response, ask me tomorrow. I can speak on this matter for days, but I’m done essay posting for tonight
If that essay is about the forest, then don’t bother, that’s just analogy and i simplify and leave out a lot of thing just so i can explain it.
And if you can’t bother with a real respond, why not just respond tomorrow instead? Or don’t respond. Instead you demand me to just ask again tomorrow? You aren’t my superior you know.
Yeah, sorry that was rude. But I do think it’s a pretty good metaphor and I wanted to follow up on it
You’re arguing with an idiot he advocates for returning to a fuedal society elsewhere in the thread.
It’s crazy. They claimed they work in finance, but the lack of financial and economic knowledge coming out of their comment is saying otherwise. It’s either someone is trolling or had too much red pill that they see only black and white.
I definitely don’t work in finance lol, I’m sure I’ve never said that in my life
I’m a programmer who’s had to learn far more about accounting and debt vehicles than I’ve ever wanted to know
I’m just sick of people tell me I don’t know about economics because they took a few economics classes in college, and then refusing to actually make any points
I took micro and macro too, I understand the propoganda. It’s just bullshit. The world hasn’t worked like that for a while now, if it ever actually did
You can find plenty of economists who can explain exactly how we got here though
I think they’re just lying on the internet. “Debt is the ultimate evil and the cause of all of society’s problems also fuedalism was good” is some serious high schooler shit. It’s the perfect combination of complete lack of knowledge of the subject beyond a very surface level and an absolute conviction of their ideas that almost always comes from just being very young. Either that or they got into some bizarre fringe ideology where this is taught but I am not aware of one with this belief system. At first I thought it was some weird leftist thing since this is Lemmy after all but given the complete lack of knowledge of the writings of Marx and Lenin (who did not reject all of classical economics in favor of their ideas) I am really not sure.