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    I guess in the US we have “market based” paid time off like we do with so many other things. The results are the same. Inequality. Poor people put through the grinder and get nothing while the rich just watch numbers go up while life stays exactly the same.

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        Seeing a chart like this is absolutely insane.

        I understand folks are debating the accuracy of some of the European countries here, but United States is fucking ridiculous… what a shit show.

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      TBF, the last time I worked a job that offered no PTO was before COVID.

      These days people won’t except minimum wage shit jobs with no benefits. If a job becomes too shitty or demanding, Americans just quietly quit and move on to the next thing.

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      You’re not wrong. I have >30 paid days off a year when you include the holidays, but a lot of my peers have zero. They don’t understand what it means to wake up one morning and just be like… nah, I don’t want to go to work today.

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    I think this is a good statistic but I’d also recommend looking up the average amount of hours worked per country - I think that paints a better picture of how much time you’ll spend working.

    I moved to Germany two years ago and the work has been fantastically human-centric, major life over work expectations, and I have no doubt that doesn’t apply to everyone in the country but it’s been very nice.

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    I’m pretty sure that the number for Switzerland is wrong. There’s at least 20 days of paid leave and one federal holiday, but in each canton there’s at least 6 additional holidays, which makes for an absolute minimum of 27 days of paid leave.

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    The image says that it is including public holidays, but Spain’s number is not.

    There are 14 mandated public holidays (8 at national level, 4 by region and 2 local ones).

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      And Belgium is also missing 12 days since the workweek is 38 hours but in effect that’s just given out as 12 more holidays.

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        That wouldn’t make sense in this graph as then you’d get into the minutia of that happening everywhere like Québec being 37.5h as full time

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    France’s famous 35-hour-week law means that you legally have to get holidays in lieu of weekly hours worked over that number. In my job I worked (theoretically) 37.5 hours, which earned me 47 paid days off. Not including public holidays.

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      I think those 47 come from more than the 35h RTT, which generally add about 10 days to the 25 minimum. You probably have some additional branch agreements and company benefits.

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        Yep exactly right, it was a particular privileged sector (namely, journalism). But anecdotally, I know it’s not completely exceptional.

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    I think in most countries there are different nuances when it comes to annual leave, which makes the numbers incomparable. For example, there are differences in whether weekends are counted as part of annual leave, even if the person doesn’t normally work weekends. Where I live, Saturday is usually counted as part of your leave unless a union agreement says otherwise.

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      Where I live there is this thing called 13th salary, basically extra salary on the end of the year, I guess it could be counted a paid leave since it is usually vacation

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      I guess they accounted for that. There are about 50 Saturdays in a year, if your kind of system was not accounted for, then there would be a clear outlier because of this.

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        I think you misunderstood. Let me give a real-life example: My colleague and I both get 30 days of paid leave per year, but we work in different roles and I happen to be under a bit better union agreement where Saturdays don’t count. Let’s assume we both take all of our leave in one go:

        I’m away from the office for 6 weeks (6 x 5 days = 30 days).
        My friend is only away for 5 weeks (5 x 6 days = 30 days) because Saturdays are counted as part of his holiday, even tho he never works on Saturdays.

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            I’m not super familiar with the rules regarding this, but I think that even if your holiday ends on Friday, the following Saturday gets automatically counted. So no, that wouldn’t work. Additionally, many workplaces have rules in place requiring you to use at least a certain number of your paid vacation days uninterrupted.

            Obviously, the whole thing is super dumb and a historical relic from the time when Saturday was a normal workday.

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    Curious American farmer here. Who provides the payment for the mandated paid leave? The state or the employer? How does this work for people who are self employed?

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      In Germany also the employer. If you are self employed, my understanding is that you don’t have a salary as such, so it doesn’t apply. But if you own your own company, where you work (as the CEO or whatever) and have a salary, that company pays you, even if you own it.

      Another important point that these overviews don’t convey: if you are on vacation (be it abroad or at home) and you get sick, you get your paid leave time back and you can take it another time. There’s some asterisks attached to this, but generally that’s how it works. There’s a big emphasis on the text that your vacation days are yours. To regenerate, just relax or whatever you wanna do. So being sick “doesn’t count”, basically.

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      The employee. It’s a cost of doing business. Just like overtime, sickpay and superannuation. Massive fines in Australia if you don’t adhere to them.

      The govt funds an ombudsman that helps employees enforce their workplace rights.

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      The employer, as they should. Obviously if you are a farmer who owns the farm, it might be a little different. We have a rancher in our family and they don’t really get days off, although they can get someone else to do the chores while they go on vacations or what not.

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      In Japan, employers who have permanent employees need to offer the paid leave. There are various schemes for other special types of leave and there is government assistance. There might be something from smaller companies, but I’m not sure. In Japan, the 10 days is only for 正社員 seishain full-time permanent employees. I think companies can also decide the dates for half of that for you, which is dumb.

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    Part of me doesn’t believe this because based on my experience with our Mumbai office those fuckers are constantly off.