You’re right, I did. But the question was in relation to things that prevent adoption to Linux. Excel isn’t one of them, as Office 365 is available as a web version, but there are also many entirely compatible alternatives.
It is, I gave an example why.
As for Adobe, I don’t know what software of theirs is used by enterprises. Unless you mean Acrobat, which again there are better alternatives that target the enterprise. I actually haven’t worked at a company that’s used Adobe products in over 10 years.
of course I mean acrobat. Please do list an alternative (that works on linux) that has Adobe Sign or something like that.
Drools is developed and maintained by the Apache Foundation. It’s FOSS software (Free and Open Source Software). Red Hat is the main sponsor of the project and the flagship product using Drools is Red Hat Decision Manager (formerly JBoss).
are you just reading off wikipedia? Drools was created by Red Hat, same with Kogito and Quarkus. Drools and Kogito have been donated to Apache, but are still majority maintained by Red Hat.
Drools supports managing rules in a spreadsheet format. Supported formats are Excel (XLS), and CSV, which means that a variety of spreadsheet programs (such as Microsoft Excel, OpenOffice.org Calc amongst others) can be utilized.
yep, and as I’ve already told you, Excel is the only one that works properly. I’m a drools expert. I’ve been working in drools for 15+ years. There are issues with using drools with anything other than excel. Of course you can use CSV but you lose a lot of functionality in the process. I’m telling you this as someone that has tried to get around these things and use alternatives for years.
I am a software dev, and I’ve used JBoss in the past. I can promise you that it’s not limited to Excel in the least. In fact, Drools isn’t even primarily designed for spreadsheets, and it’s generally deployed on Linux servers.
smh. jboss is not the same thing as drools. Maybe you didn’t come across the bugs I have, but I have literally listed out to you the steps to encounter it. Use Drools, use Kogito. Use xlsx decision tables (not decision manager, which is now owned by ibm). And yes, Drools isn’t ‘primarily designed for spreadsheets’. it’s a rules engine. There’s ten thousand different ways to use it. I’m telling you that you will eventually encounter issues with using Libre or Open Office with drools decision tables. I did. My team did. We literally had to get an Office subscription (it was a google suite company) just to use drools because of all the issues we encountered. I understand this is most likely MS doing something internal to their xlsx format to fuck with anyone using other software. That is incredibly likely. The point still stands. Some software is absolutely necessary for businesses and there is no other alternative. Linux radicals seem to think that there’s always a way around it. But there isn’t.
This is a valid point, but not because they can’t operate without them. It’s almost always because of ignorance of better alternatives, upper management comfort zone, and billions of dollars of marketing from Microsoft and Adobe for over 20 years.
I think it’s more that enterprises want support and they want to trust other companies. You do not get that with linux. Like I said, give me an alternative to Adobe Sign that works on linux. You’re not going to find one that is open source, because the fundamental trust model is that adobe is your signatory, and you trust them and their servers.
Studios as in Hollywood studios and VFX Houses. Some of them might use Adobe stuff here and there, but the “serious” stuff isn’t done with Adobe.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up vfx houses. Adobe doesn’t have any vfx software. Their major products are Acrobat, Photoshop, Premiere, and Illustrator. All things that any major company would need to operate any sort of marketing material. None of those are used for VFX. There are good alternatives for Photoshop and Premiere and Illustrator, even ones that work on Linux (no not Gimp). But I don’t see you replacing Acrobat anytime soon. And Lightroom (which I didn’t list) is far better than Darktable (I literally started with Darktable and it was so horrid I literally got an adobe sub because there was no other option at the time). Now there’s some others, but I haven’t tried them. I’m going to look at RAWTherapee though and see how it does.
of course I mean acrobat. Please do list an alternative (that works on linux) that has Adobe Sign or something like that.
Well, Adobe Sign is a cloud based offering, which is distinct from Acrobat itself. And it can only work as a cloud offering because they need to ensure audit trails for compliance reasons. In that regard there’s DocuSign which is also cloud based. But as for Acrobat, there’s Xodo, OnlyOffice, and LibreOffice.
are you just reading off wikipedia? Drools was created by Red Hat
No I wasn’t, but I wasn’t aware that Red Hat developed it.
Excel is the only one that works properly. I’m a drools expert. I’ve been working in drools for 15+ years. There are issues with using drools with anything other than excel. Of course you can use CSV but you lose a lot of functionality in the process. I’m telling you this as someone that has tried to get around these things and use alternatives for years.
Ok, fair. I have limited experience with it, but in the time that I did work with it, it seemed fine.
smh. jboss is not the same thing as drools.
You’re right, I was referring to JBoss BRMS. It’s been a long time since I’ve touched it, over 10 years ago.
Maybe you didn’t come across the bugs I have
Clearly not, because as I mentioned, the project I was working on that used it switched to a different system. And no, I don’t remember which.
Some software is absolutely necessary for businesses and there is no other alternative. Linux radicals seem to think that there’s always a way around it. But there isn’t.
And that is fair. I always tell people to use the best tool for the job, and sometimes the best tool is the one they know how to use best. So if it’s Windows, then so be it.
I think it’s more that enterprises want support and they want to trust other companies. You do not get that with linux.
Sure you do. There are many companies with commercial offerings that support Linux.
give me an alternative to Adobe Sign that works on linux.
You can actually use the web version of Adobe Sign from any OS. I know that’s not what you were asking, but it’s still a workable solution.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up vfx houses. Adobe doesn’t have any vfx software. Their major products are Acrobat, Photoshop, Premiere, and Illustrator.
They literally call it VFX software. And that is what it is. And Photoshop, Premiere, and Illustrator all fall into the VFX category because you would utilize all of them in a VFX workflow.
Anyways, I brought it up because that’s generally what people refer to when they mention Adobe when talking about Linux compatibility.
I’m going to look at RAWTherapee though and see how it does.
I know someone that does professional photography and uses Linux. They say they love RAWTherapee.
It is, I gave an example why.
of course I mean acrobat. Please do list an alternative (that works on linux) that has Adobe Sign or something like that.
are you just reading off wikipedia? Drools was created by Red Hat, same with Kogito and Quarkus. Drools and Kogito have been donated to Apache, but are still majority maintained by Red Hat.
yep, and as I’ve already told you, Excel is the only one that works properly. I’m a drools expert. I’ve been working in drools for 15+ years. There are issues with using drools with anything other than excel. Of course you can use CSV but you lose a lot of functionality in the process. I’m telling you this as someone that has tried to get around these things and use alternatives for years.
smh. jboss is not the same thing as drools. Maybe you didn’t come across the bugs I have, but I have literally listed out to you the steps to encounter it. Use Drools, use Kogito. Use xlsx decision tables (not decision manager, which is now owned by ibm). And yes, Drools isn’t ‘primarily designed for spreadsheets’. it’s a rules engine. There’s ten thousand different ways to use it. I’m telling you that you will eventually encounter issues with using Libre or Open Office with drools decision tables. I did. My team did. We literally had to get an Office subscription (it was a google suite company) just to use drools because of all the issues we encountered. I understand this is most likely MS doing something internal to their xlsx format to fuck with anyone using other software. That is incredibly likely. The point still stands. Some software is absolutely necessary for businesses and there is no other alternative. Linux radicals seem to think that there’s always a way around it. But there isn’t.
I think it’s more that enterprises want support and they want to trust other companies. You do not get that with linux. Like I said, give me an alternative to Adobe Sign that works on linux. You’re not going to find one that is open source, because the fundamental trust model is that adobe is your signatory, and you trust them and their servers.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up vfx houses. Adobe doesn’t have any vfx software. Their major products are Acrobat, Photoshop, Premiere, and Illustrator. All things that any major company would need to operate any sort of marketing material. None of those are used for VFX. There are good alternatives for Photoshop and Premiere and Illustrator, even ones that work on Linux (no not Gimp). But I don’t see you replacing Acrobat anytime soon. And Lightroom (which I didn’t list) is far better than Darktable (I literally started with Darktable and it was so horrid I literally got an adobe sub because there was no other option at the time). Now there’s some others, but I haven’t tried them. I’m going to look at RAWTherapee though and see how it does.
Well, Adobe Sign is a cloud based offering, which is distinct from Acrobat itself. And it can only work as a cloud offering because they need to ensure audit trails for compliance reasons. In that regard there’s DocuSign which is also cloud based. But as for Acrobat, there’s Xodo, OnlyOffice, and LibreOffice.
No I wasn’t, but I wasn’t aware that Red Hat developed it.
Ok, fair. I have limited experience with it, but in the time that I did work with it, it seemed fine.
You’re right, I was referring to JBoss BRMS. It’s been a long time since I’ve touched it, over 10 years ago.
Clearly not, because as I mentioned, the project I was working on that used it switched to a different system. And no, I don’t remember which.
And that is fair. I always tell people to use the best tool for the job, and sometimes the best tool is the one they know how to use best. So if it’s Windows, then so be it.
Sure you do. There are many companies with commercial offerings that support Linux.
You can actually use the web version of Adobe Sign from any OS. I know that’s not what you were asking, but it’s still a workable solution.
And After Effects.
https://www.adobe.com/ca/products/aftereffects/vfx-visual-effects.html
They literally call it VFX software. And that is what it is. And Photoshop, Premiere, and Illustrator all fall into the VFX category because you would utilize all of them in a VFX workflow.
Anyways, I brought it up because that’s generally what people refer to when they mention Adobe when talking about Linux compatibility.
I know someone that does professional photography and uses Linux. They say they love RAWTherapee.