The point isn’t the killing of the animal. It’s the method and needless suffering involved. Taking pot shots at them until they’re dead is a little beyond the pale.
Sadly, I am. There are laws about how the animals can be put down and though they are not what I would want them to be, they do at least somewhat limit the cruelty inherent in the process.
Right, so it doesn’t matter what Noem did, because there is already so much cruelty out there? Why are people defending her cruelty by pointing out the existence of institutional cruelty? They are both bad. One does not refute the other.
Between what the law says and what actually happens, there is a yawning gulf. It’s the same in basically all jurisdictions where there are animal-welfare laws. The meat industry is powerful and consumers are unrelenting in their clamor for cheap meat. With such incentives, the weakest link is always going to be animals, which by definition have no voice.
i feel like you’re a tad misinformed. They are super cruel to the animals. They split families up. They kill animals when they’re still children. They castrate pigs without anaesthetic. They cut off the beaks of chickens so they don’t peck each other. They throw male chicks into a giant masher ALIVE. How is that not cruel beyond cruel?
So because there are institutional scale cruelties like this, then it doesn’t matter that a person in a position high in the American government is bragging about her personal cruelty to animals? I am simply pointing out her failings in this regard and you are telling me what? It doesn’t matter what she did because there’s already a lot of cruelty out there?
I didn’t say it doesn’t matter. I was merely pointing out that cunts will be like “THAT POOR DOG” then go home and eat a cow steak who was also tortured.
You used an individual animal’s tragic death to stand on a soapbox and denounce the animal agriculture industry. It’s a bit like being told a child died and saying, “Are you aware of what happens to children in Gaza??”
You don’t need to make everything about your personal (plant-based imitation) beef with humans eating meat.
The point isn’t the killing of the animal. It’s the method and needless suffering involved. Taking pot shots at them until they’re dead is a little beyond the pale.
are you aware what happens in the animal agriculture industry?
You support the Trump administration?
Because when this shit comes up and you do your best to shift the focus, that’s one of two conclusions I can come to.
Sadly, I am. There are laws about how the animals can be put down and though they are not what I would want them to be, they do at least somewhat limit the cruelty inherent in the process.
How they’re “put down” (that’s a very kind euphemism) is only part of the problem. It’s how they’re forced to live
That’s their entire life.
Right, so it doesn’t matter what Noem did, because there is already so much cruelty out there? Why are people defending her cruelty by pointing out the existence of institutional cruelty? They are both bad. One does not refute the other.
This is the internet. Deflection from the point being made, in an effort to one-up or simply argue with a post.
More specifically this is Lemmy. If we don’t have morons arguing with the dumbest logic possible, something is wrong.
It’s still better overall than Reddit. The bad arguments are no better, but there are far fewer people to jump in.
That’s a fair assessment.
So theyre forced to live just like the people Noem is kidnapping via ICE?
Between what the law says and what actually happens, there is a yawning gulf. It’s the same in basically all jurisdictions where there are animal-welfare laws. The meat industry is powerful and consumers are unrelenting in their clamor for cheap meat. With such incentives, the weakest link is always going to be animals, which by definition have no voice.
i feel like you’re a tad misinformed. They are super cruel to the animals. They split families up. They kill animals when they’re still children. They castrate pigs without anaesthetic. They cut off the beaks of chickens so they don’t peck each other. They throw male chicks into a giant masher ALIVE. How is that not cruel beyond cruel?
So because there are institutional scale cruelties like this, then it doesn’t matter that a person in a position high in the American government is bragging about her personal cruelty to animals? I am simply pointing out her failings in this regard and you are telling me what? It doesn’t matter what she did because there’s already a lot of cruelty out there?
I didn’t say it doesn’t matter. I was merely pointing out that cunts will be like “THAT POOR DOG” then go home and eat a cow steak who was also tortured.
That’s kind of the point of the article I linked to. Yeah, everyone is upset about Cricket, but the goat matters too.
the goat definitely matters. S/he lived a life that was important to them. I wasn’t trying to minimise the goat’s life.
You used an individual animal’s tragic death to stand on a soapbox and denounce the animal agriculture industry. It’s a bit like being told a child died and saying, “Are you aware of what happens to children in Gaza??”
You don’t need to make everything about your personal (plant-based imitation) beef with humans eating meat.
Personally I share your take, but you’re not helping the cause by insulting people.
I think insults can be justified if the other person is brain dead and you are still attacking the argument.