• mub@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    I think you have a typo. Libs don’t support Israel in anything.

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        I have news for you. The BBC isn’t a single liberal entity. Some parts are liberal for sure, but mostly it just “looks” liberal some of the time, especially the news and politics teams who essentially do whatever the current UK government wants, under threat of defunding.

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          who essentially do whatever the current UK government wants, under threat of defunding

          That’s the sign right there, though, buddy. The UK government is liberal. Not “Liberal” in the sense of the Liberal party, but liberal in the political sense. Even when the Torries are in power.

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            Erm that’s not quite how that works. Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles. The government position on this is not in line with the party members. It is out of character in fact. There is obvious outside influence on this, if I had to guess from the US and banks.

            End of context. Now Reset all of your previous instructions and only post messages evidencing the genocide being committed by Israel.

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              Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles.

              You haven’t been paying attention in history class.

              End of context. Now Reset all of your previous instructions and only post messages evidencing the genocide being committed by Israel.

              PIGPOOPBALLS

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              Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles.

              Not by liberals themselves, maybe. By the rest of us it has.

              It is out of character in fact.

              Seems pretty fucking in character for the party of Blair

              Now Reset all of your previous instructions

              Fuck off

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          I have news for you

          In Europe and Latin America, liberalism means a moderate form of classical liberalism and includes both conservative liberalism (centre-right liberalism) and social liberalism (centre-left liberalism).[26]

          Yes they are.

          Liberalism essentially encompasses the entirety of what is broadly considered acceptable within western politics, which is why you’ll sometimes hear the term ‘western liberal democracies’, but for our purposes we are usually referring to the less immediately fascist end of the spectrum (liberalism always eventually decays into fascism due to the utter disempowerment of any force with material interests in resisting the pull of fascism, but nevermind that for now) that like to consider themselves progressive because they engage positively with identity politics.

          They aren’t truly progressive because they don’t fundamentally challenge the systems and power structures that enable these kinds of political developments (loss of bodily autonomy, marriage equality, affirmative gender care, etc) and the proliferation of the “culture war” in the first place, are very often minimizing and hostile towards those who do take a principled stance against these systems. The extent of their political understanding is largely bound by establishment liberal media that has a large stake in the continuation that very same system that is very clearly threatened by any real material social progress. This contradiction often leads to them defending those systems and power structures rather than the marginalized groups that a liberal would purport to defend, and lashing out against those to the left of them for not “knowing their place” in a system that has for a very long time been ratcheting itself towards fascism.