By AMELIA THOMSON-DEVEAUX
Updated 11:08 AM EDT, September 8, 2025
Capitalism’s image has slipped with U.S. adults overall since 2021, the survey finds, and the results show a gradual but persistent shift in Democrats’ support for the two ideologies over the past 15 years, with socialism rising as capitalism falls. The shifts underscore deep divisions within the party about whether open support for socialism will hurt Democrats’ ability to reach moderates or galvanize greater support from people who are concerned about issues like the cost of living.
…But Democrats under 50 are much less likely to view capitalism favorably, while the opinions of Democrats ages 50 and older haven’t shifted meaningfully, according to Gallup.
This is all analysis of what you believe should be the case, but not what is, which is my point.
Its what I believe vs what you believe. You know I said as much when I simply said I disagree.
Your analysis is based on what you said should be the case, but we don’t actually have the ability to implement that with the tools laid out for us.
I don’t even see your point here. We have not really talked about tools but I bet we don’t have really anything to talk about. Let me make this clear. Revolution is not an acceptable tool for change for me and I don’t care how much someone else thinks it is totally the tool or whatnot. I bring this up mostly at a guess of what your philosophies tool would be.
Democracy is a tool to best meet the needs of the people. If this isn’t possible in a given system, then the tool doesn’t work in that system.
As for revolution, it doesn’t really matter if you find it personally acceptable or not. It’s by far the most successful method of social change in history, and it largely arises out of heightened contradictions, not because anyone individually wants it or not.
I disagree. There is no point in our discussion because im pretty sure you see your opinions as facts and my opinions as opinions. As our opinions have fundamental differences I see no point to this.
I just don’t see how you can both acknowledge that capitalists have an outsized influence but think the state is impartial.
Because that influence can and has been entailed. The influence is ultimately advertising. I mean all of that does not matter when im speaking to someone who wants to put the cart before the horse. The state precedes the economic system. The articles of confederation failed precisely because of its economic ruleset and was replaced by the constitution. Democracy and rights are what matter first. They are not afterthoughts.
No, the influence isn’t in advertising alone. The state is thoroughly embedded in the private system of production, corporate lobbying and control of industry gives capitalists absolute power in the system. Voting doesn’t mean much if the options workers can vote for don’t actually represent their interests. Nobody is putting the cart before the horse, democracy in a capitalist system is a sham to begin with. It isn’t an afterthought, it’s that the extent to which oppressed classes can influence society through voting is only within the boundaries pre-approved by the ruling class.