By AMELIA THOMSON-DEVEAUX
Updated 11:08 AM EDT, September 8, 2025
Capitalism’s image has slipped with U.S. adults overall since 2021, the survey finds, and the results show a gradual but persistent shift in Democrats’ support for the two ideologies over the past 15 years, with socialism rising as capitalism falls. The shifts underscore deep divisions within the party about whether open support for socialism will hurt Democrats’ ability to reach moderates or galvanize greater support from people who are concerned about issues like the cost of living.
…But Democrats under 50 are much less likely to view capitalism favorably, while the opinions of Democrats ages 50 and older haven’t shifted meaningfully, according to Gallup.
Thats the point. The argument I got was democracy requires socialism and that does not fly with me. Democracy and decide how much is private vs public. Also the arbitrary percentage is to low for the people. Representatives are still voted in and while a lot of people want to convince the people have no power in the system. They do and if they work toward betterment they can get it.
Democracy can only allocate the mode of production to the extent that the existing mode of production has influence over the structure of the state and the direction its headed in. You also haven’t explained why you think the arbitrary percentage is too low for the people, representatives do need to be voted on, but even before they get to that point they are prevetted through the political machine. That’s why perceptions of democracy are so low in the west:
See this argumentation of yours is just silly. Its basically current things, especially infrastructure, is influenced by past and future will be influenced by the present. Of course it will be to some degree but that does not mean the direction cannot be shifted. I did not explain why my opinion about something is different than someone elses. There is no answer to that percentage in terms of data. Representatives can be prevented through the political machine but they also can get through despite the political machine and a 100% socialist society will have a political machine. Again I know I won’t be changing your beliefs in this and your not going to mine even if you try trigger word responses.
This just circles back to you talking about what should be rather than what is. I’m not saying politics doesn’t exist or anything, just that your weighting of the electoral system under a dictatorship of capital as a genuine tool for worker expression is not backed up by historical evidence.
Nope. Im talking about what is. Im saying that socialism is not the cure and capitalism is not either. Its something that is a balance in a society that can otherwise be democractic or autocratic. I have already given historical evidence of reform.
You’ve acknowledged that capitalists have outsized power in capitalism, and outsized influence. Democracy is necessarily weaker because of it. The example of anti-trust was specific to the conditions of radical organizing in crisis as a way to prevent revolution. When the USSR dissolved, conditions in the US worsened because the capitalists weren’t in fear of revolution. You didn’t give any examples of reform working, but organizing in crisis.
See this is again the problem. You state I agreed with something then make a bunch of statements like its fact. I disagree with your belief of how the anti trust laws came to be. You show a chart showing the increase of wealth inequality since the seventies and then draw a line for the dissolution of the USSR and state you belief it was the cause even while ignoring the putin era of russia aggression which then should theoretically cause it to go back down by your logic. And its wonderful that chinese have feelings like people in the us. All humans have feelings like that but the chart has no bearing on the reality of the chinese system or the reality that trump is looking to be more like chi or putin or kim. The argument that democracy is weaker because of X is again something Im not sure if im making clear but since everything on the earth. including democracy. is not perfect. Anyone can make a statement like that. Everything x is weaker because of something y. It can’t be said for socialism because there has never been a socialist state with enough democracy to be significant enough to weaken.
Why on Earth would Putin make wealth inequality in the US go down? Russia is no longer socialist, it isn’t showing an alternative to the US.
Secondly, China is more democratic than the US, Trump is the same as every other US president, a stooge of the capitalist class.
Third, socialist states are more democratic than capitalist ones, because the working class has control.
You’re dramatically misinterpreting me.
Im not misinterpreting Im disagreeing. You don’t seem to get that. You think china is more democratic than the us. I certainly do not. You think trump is like every other president. I do not. I see no difference in socialist russian times and now other than ukraine seemed to be the best part of the ussr when it was a part of it. I do not agree socialist states have been more democratic. Its not misinterpreting. When someone disagrees with you because your beliefs of reality are completely different there is no change just from slightly modifying your statement of beliefs with alternate language.