• Cevilia (she/they/…)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        5 hours ago

        I’m absolutely serious.

        You can also add a package name to install it at the same time as doing the upgrade, though personally I prefer to do that as a separate command so I can see what dependencies are needed.

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      20 minutes ago

      The support for updating to a new version of a distribution is often still a headache. Some distributions don’t support it at all.

  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    35·
    12 hours ago

    Be me -

    Gets the Ok from IT to switch to a Linux Distro for my work desktop.

    Gets the Ok from my direct manager.

    Gets the Ok from our contracts manager who used to be in my direct managers position before.

    Direct manager reaches out to lead developer, who happens to be a windows fanboy, for the web app we use to ensure “compatibility”, gets told to be careful of what I do and our cybersecurity insurance won’t cover it.

    Be me, looking around at all the minuscule pieces of hardware connected to the internet likely running some form of Linux or Unix.

    • ByteOnBikes@discuss.online
      35·
      11 hours ago

      It’s a fucking web app. Make sure it works for a browser. You suck as a web developer if your shit web app needs to work on a specific OS.

      And those are fighting words because I build web apps.

      • Technus@lemmy.zip
        9·
        8 hours ago

        I’ve started noticing websites just to refuse to work on Linux:

        • Xfinity
        • Microsoft
        • United Airlines
        • American Airlines

        It’s not like some weird script error either. It’s straight up a 403 Forbidden on certain routes. Works perfectly fine if I switch to my Windows laptop. It’s like it took one look at my user agent string and decided I was a bot.

        • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          7 hours ago

          Not saying you’re wrong, but if you’re running a VPN it could be that as well. More and more sites are demanding CAPTCHA tests and verification holds or just returning 403 for VPN access no matter what OS you are running.

      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        8·
        11 hours ago

        Man they get really up in your business if you aren’t using Chrome and their dinky extension, that I swear he pulled from someone’s GitHub and rebranded as his own, which all it does is open file links in the file browser.

        I made a point by switching my user agent on Zen Browser to report as Chrome, Ubuntu haven’t heard a peep about it yet.

        Side note at one point in time the clock-in we use, which is also a web app, had its admin/manager panel exposed to everyone in the company, I reported it and all I got was a thanks.

    • SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca
      33·
      17 hours ago

      Maybe OP knew all along that they wanted to use the previous package list to upgrade and fetch the new one after! Maybe we’re all actually inverting it…

      (I’m just being silly, I recognize that an old package list would probably cause issues with installing or upgrading packages.)

      • dev_null@lemmy.ml
        4·
        11 hours ago

        It’s fine! You were trying to show how Windows is better because you can’t make a mistake like that and succeeded!

        I’m joking

      • MimicJar@lemmy.world
        16·
        15 hours ago

        I mean technically you did “update” the OS. It wasn’t a particularly useful command by going second, but I bet it was fast.

    • Storm@slrpnk.net
      7·
      15 hours ago

      Thank you, I mostly use pacman but have Debian (rasbian?) on raspberry pi and was fully willing to believe I’d been updating it wrong this whole time

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works
      105·
      16 hours ago

      That’s the best part of this post. Windows is fully automatic, while on Linux you need to tell apart two terminal commands with confusing naming.

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 hours ago

        You think ive touched the apt commands in linux…?
        I mean, youre right, but thats because i like to be hands on. But i dont have to if i wanted :p

      • moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub
        11·
        14 hours ago

        On linux, you can do what you wish. You can use a desktop environment with a GUI software center that pops up a notification that prompts you to install updates. Or update by opening the software center and selecting the ones you want. Or use the terminal commands. Or write an alias so you can type “update” and have it execute all your commands in the right order. Or script it to run silently in the background on an automated schedule.

        And you can use your computer during updates, there’s no mandatory update during shutdown/boot.

        • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          21·
          12 hours ago

          If I try to update my GPU while I’m running a game sometimes it falls back to integrated graphics and gets slow+warm til I restart. That’s a fuckup I just couldn’t make on windows. Sorry, checkmate fosscommie.

            • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
              5·
              12 hours ago

              fun fact: GPU drivers on Windows run in userspace, because MS got fed up with all the blue screens they caused and kicked them out of the kernel. if the GPU driver crashes, the screen will go dark for a second and then flick back on. if the GPU driver can’t restart then Windows will fall back to software rendering.

              • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
                2·
                7 hours ago

                Which is what you see happening when updating or reinstalling a gpu driver.

                Funny thing is, gpu drivers can still cause a bsod by causing fuckups in the directx driver, which ive seen happen :')

      • eta@feddit.orgEnglish
        18·
        15 hours ago

        Not necessarily. On Arch it’s just “sudo pacman -Syu” and on Fedora it’s just “sudo dnf update”.

      • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        13 hours ago

        On Mint I set up an automatic update schedule and have been double checking it when I think to. All GUI, no terminal commands. So far it’s been seamless. (Knock on wood)

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 hours ago

        Op inverted. apt update updates the local package cache of apt so it knows what packages have updates. apt upgrade then installs those updates.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      6·
      13 hours ago

      Wait what? I have been running silver blue and vanilla fedora recently and I don’t remember this happening. I always run my update script manually every day or so though. When do you see this screen?

      • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
        4·
        12 hours ago

        When it updatedssystem files it’ll do this when you shut down your computer.

        If you never shut it down it never will lol

      • minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world
        2·
        12 hours ago

        It updates just like Windows automatically, in Discover. Then it asks to restart and upgrade and it’s just like Windows. I did this just today. Nice UI and UX with Fedora with Plasma.

      • greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        13 hours ago

        What? I’ve never had fedora reboot itself. Sometimes it asks if I want to install updates on reboot or shutdown. But I am always in charge of when that happens.

      • CoyoteFacts@piefed.caEnglish
        22·
        17 hours ago

        Whoa, do you have something to read up on that? I’d be extremely surprised, since apt-get is supposed to be the script-safe variant, i.e. I’d imagine it’s the more stable of the two.

        • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          20·
          15 hours ago

          It’s actually just personal experience, but I stopped using apt-get a few years back now because I noticed if I did apt after apt-get there would often be a bunch of packages it missed.

          Edit: looks like it might be because apt-get can’t satisfy dependencies install new packages when upgrading while apt can since apt is a suite of different apt tools rolled into one.

          • CoyoteFacts@piefed.caEnglish
            10·
            16 hours ago

            Yeah I’m reading a little bit on it, and it seems like apt-get can’t install new packages during an upgrade. On initial reading I was thinking there were specific packages it couldn’t download or something, but this makes sense too. Regardless, this is news to me; I always assumed that apt and apt-get were the same process, just with apt-get having stable text output for awk’ing and apt being human-readable. I’ve been using nala for a long time anyway, but this is very useful knowledge.

          • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
            6·
            16 hours ago

            Wait what.

            apt-get is made for scripting, apt is interactive. Both should resolve dependencies. dpkg does not resolve them.

            But for interactive usage always use apt, guides using apt-get have no idea what they are doing

        • ExtremeDullard@piefed.socialEnglish
          8·
          16 hours ago

          apt generally downloads more things than apt-get on my Debian machine. apt-get never broke anything, but I tend to eye it suspiciously now.

      • 9point6@lemmy.world
        6·
        16 hours ago

        Legitimately didn’t know this and occasionally type apt-get just for a bit of frivolity