I’m an experienced backend developer. To me, the backend world seems super simple compared to the frontend world.
It seems like there are a million options and I don’t have the experience to say what’s good and what’s not. I’m hit with major choice paralysis, basically.
I don’t have any special requirements - I “just” want to build a pretty standard, responsive, modern-looking UI. Ideally without too much boilerplate, in a framework that “feels good”, in a way that might at some point attract other contributors as well, if I get to the point of open sourcing.
Of course I could just reach for the most popular thing i.e. React, but that doesn’t seem to be the “hip” thing to use nowadays (or maybe I’m wrong? What do I know, I’m a backend dev).
But even if I choose a framework, there’s a million other libraries out there to choose as well. For instance, which UI library to choose? What about observability and state management and authentication and so on?
Sorry if this is a bit ranty. I am honestly just looking for an experienced frontend developer to point me in some direction (i.e. some set of frameworks/libraries; a “stack” if you will), so I can get out of this choice paralysis.
What would be your go-to stack for a new frontend project today?
Using ‘raw’ JS/CSS/HTML is a coveted skill. A lot of people forgot and/or never learned how to do that. Those over engineered frameworks are essentially a form of premature optimization, and in many cases obsolete because modern browsers already implement their whole reason for existing.
I can do this, how can I cash in?
The general play is:
I mean where can I find remote work jobs that are looking for raw js/css/html
Jobs? In this economy?
it’s not funny dude. You don’t quite grasp the situation that’s leading me to ask these questions.
Chill out. If you want advice on how to find a job, post a thread asking for help. This thread is asking about javascript frameworks, not how to help you get hired. A lot of people are struggling right now, and you don’t have to be a dick about it.
how am I the one being a dick about it? You’re the one that’s making fun of people trying to improve their situation in life, and I’m the dick?
When I looked for work with front end, everything is asking for framework experience, when I have raw html/js/css experience. So what you’re saying isn’t helpful. I’m pointing that out and asking for practical advice, you’re being a dick for making fun of my situation.
I’m not making fun of anyone. I know how stressful situations like that are, but you need to chill because being an abrasive asshole isn’t how you get people to help you.
I wasn’t trying to be helpful to you. You are not OP. OP didn’t ask “what should I learn to land a job”. I never claimed that knowing basic js/css/html was going to help you get a job. Anybody can do that, it’s webdev 101. I was pointing out that those basic skills are all you need to write good front-end software, and that most front-end frameworks are over-engineered and unnecessary.
But to answer your question: learn what employers are looking for. Duh. You looked at job postings and found that they were asking for framework experience, so you already have your answer. If you land a web dev job, it’s going to be to work on an existing legacy (and often shitty) codebase, not to write new software. The trendy/popular stuff is what’s trendy/popular, so learn that to increase your chances.
But most importantly, fix your attitude. It doesn’t matter how smart you are if nobody wants to work with you.
Kagi, DDG, and Google Search don’t use frontend frameworks. Anything that cares about being optimized generally won’t.
Look for job
???
Profit
It just doesn’t seem like best practice to do raw JS/CSS/HTML from what I read online? I get that for maybe small sites where you just need mostly static pages, that might be fine, but if you want any complexity and flexibility, isn’t raw JS/CSS/HTML sort of limiting? I.e. you’d end up doing lots of complicated stuff that you’d build yourself instead of using a framework.
Web components exist.
What’s “complicated stuff”? Your business logic will probably be complicated regardless of what you use. A framework will just add a few more layers of complexity and introduce a (usually fragile) build process.
Idk what you’re trying to build, but from this:
It doesn’t sound like you need a framework. Want responsive? Learn how to use flexbox. Want a “modern” look? Learn design, or find some CSS templates to start from.
If you’re trying to make a SPA (which a lot of beginners/insane people seem to think is a good default, which it definitely is not), then a framework might make it easier, or it might not. It depends on what you’re building. You may be able to use HTMX with a light sprinkling of JavaScript, or may need a full-blown batteries-included framework.
So. What are you building?
Look into Tailwind CSS and Alpine.js for some pretty uncomplicated foundational level systems to build off of