• Spectre@lemmy.mlOP
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      Reformism is not anti-capitalism. Reforms are just nicer capitalism. There will still be capitalism and imperialism but people just get a bigger slice of the imperialist pie until the ruling class decides to take the slice away.

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        21 hours ago

        “People get a bigger slice of the … pie until the ruling class decides to take the slice away”
        Isn’t that just the same with all systems?

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          The state is the mechanism through which one class exerts its dominance over the others.

          Bourgeois states are the enforcement arm of capital. When it offers improved conditions, it is merely a carrot to prevent you from taking actions that may jeopardize its power.

          In a similar vein, proletarian controlled states can do the same, but the concessions go towards capital and the day-to-day ruling is on behalf of the workers.

          If we want concessions that cannot be revoked, we must overthrow the bourgeois state and replace with a workers state. We cannot reform our way into a society where capital does not have near complete power.

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            13 hours ago

            proletarian controlled states can do the same

            This is as much a utopia as capitalist “trickle down economy”. It cannot exist because proletariat, in the vast majority, is dumb as a sack of bricks.

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              That was George Orwell’s view, but it’s wrong. Historically, socialist states have been dramatically effective at raising up standards of living, and it’s because the working class is quite well aware of its own interests and how to run society. You don’t need everyone to specialize in everything, that’s why political education and education in general are so valued in socialist countries.

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        18 hours ago

        In a state where there are neofascists like Trump, Mamdani is the left, face it. If you deny this, you’re completely ignoring political pragmatism and confusing the historical left with their actual political left.