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I’m not saying use it anytime. I’m saying Biden should have used it to eliminate Trump and his followers as an existential threat to our nation
Ok, so there’s a lot wrong with this line of thinking.
First of all, it’s literally the same argument that Trump and his followers are using to justify him doing all the stuff you think Democrats should have done to stop him from doing all the stuff you think is bad. It’s the worst kind.of logical fallacy. You are advocating for the same thing you are saying is a problem.
And how exactly would you “eliminate Trump’s followers”? By suspending their Constitutional rights, as well? How many millions of people would you have to throw in jail for thought crimes, before that “existential threat to our nation” was “eliminated”? How would you silence them, when they correctly point out that you are the problem now? Would you suspend the Constitution in order to shut them up…or just kill them, and be done with it?
Not sure how that is a problem with my logic when Trump is literally doing all these things because he was not stopped.
Imagine we’re all heading for a cliff, and you know that Trump wants to drive the bus straight off that cliff. How does letting Democrats drive off that cliff first, stop the bus from going over?
First of all, it’s literally the same argument that Trump and his followers are using to justify him doing all the stuff you think Democrats should have done to stop him from doing all the stuff you think is bad. It’s the worst kind.of logical fallacy. You are advocating for the same thing you are saying is a problem.
It’s not the same at all. Were Trump and his followers not completely throwing the rulebook out the window I would not be advocating for it. They created the situation and it had to be dealt with. They couldn’t be dealt with lawfully because they were ignoring the laws. As proven by the fact that NOT dealing with it resulted in our country being overthrown by fascists.
And how exactly would you “eliminate Trump’s followers”? By suspending their Constitutional rights, as well? How many millions of people would you have to throw in jail for thought crimes, before that “existential threat to our nation” was “eliminated”? How would you silence them, when they correctly point out that you are the problem now? Would you suspend the Constitution in order to shut them up…or just kill them, and be done with it?
As many as it took to stop the bleeding. At the very least Trump and anyone directly supporting his efforts. They were already not abiding by the constitution so why should it protect them? You can’t play chess when the other side is playing calvinball.
Imagine we’re all heading for a cliff, and you know that Trump wants to drive the bus straight off that cliff. How does letting Democrats drive off that cliff first, stop the bus from going over?
That’s not a good analogy. There is no option to stay on the road in this scenario, things are already too far gone. Best outcome would have been Biden seizing the wheel and steering us into the ditch on the other side of the road instead.
Sorry, my friend. But you can’t fight fascism, with fascism. The analogy I used is perfect for the argument you’re making, seeing as how you seem quite willing to drive the bus off a cliff just to stop Trump from doing it first. It makes zero sense.
What do you propose Biden should have done then? What is the proper strategy he should have used to prevent Trump from getting back into power and throwing the nation to the dogs? Because what he did, failed, and now we’re all fucked. Is that preferable to a Biden autocracy?
Biden shouldn’t have done anything. His Attorney General should have been less sensitive about appearing biased, and started pursuing Trump’s prosecution earlier. The entire time the J6 committee was doing its investigation in the Senate…a special prosecutor like Jack Smith, should have been riding along, compiling evidence for an indictment. The instant the committee released its final report, that special prosecutor should have taken over the investigation and presented its evidence to a grand jury, as soon as possible.
That would have given them an extra year to prosecute Trump in court. They were literally weeks away from putting him on trial, as it was. That extra year would have at least guaranteed his disqualification and most likely would have resulted in real prison time.
But Merrick Garland blinked. He dragged his feet before assigning a special prosecutor to continue what the Senate committee had started. That was what they should have done differently. Biden should have had nothing to do with it. It’s the only way to make sure it was a legitimate trial. Any hint that Biden was involved, would have tainted the results and MAGA would have never accepted the outcome.
It wouldn’t even have mattered if some of them still didn’t accept it. Enough of them would, that the movement would have been crippled. And any serious lawmaker in a position of authority would have an almost impossible time explaining away those results, without also discrediting themselves in the process.
Nobody actually cares what the crackpots have to say about the 2020 election results, because there is literally no evidence to back up those claims. It would be the same thing if all the evidence proved that Trump was guilty of trying to commit a coup. We could all safely dismiss all of his remaining supporters as irrelevant, and move on. The sane ones would let it go, and the ones that couldn’t would sound insane.
Ok, so there’s a lot wrong with this line of thinking.
First of all, it’s literally the same argument that Trump and his followers are using to justify him doing all the stuff you think Democrats should have done to stop him from doing all the stuff you think is bad. It’s the worst kind.of logical fallacy. You are advocating for the same thing you are saying is a problem.
And how exactly would you “eliminate Trump’s followers”? By suspending their Constitutional rights, as well? How many millions of people would you have to throw in jail for thought crimes, before that “existential threat to our nation” was “eliminated”? How would you silence them, when they correctly point out that you are the problem now? Would you suspend the Constitution in order to shut them up…or just kill them, and be done with it?
Imagine we’re all heading for a cliff, and you know that Trump wants to drive the bus straight off that cliff. How does letting Democrats drive off that cliff first, stop the bus from going over?
It’s not the same at all. Were Trump and his followers not completely throwing the rulebook out the window I would not be advocating for it. They created the situation and it had to be dealt with. They couldn’t be dealt with lawfully because they were ignoring the laws. As proven by the fact that NOT dealing with it resulted in our country being overthrown by fascists.
As many as it took to stop the bleeding. At the very least Trump and anyone directly supporting his efforts. They were already not abiding by the constitution so why should it protect them? You can’t play chess when the other side is playing calvinball.
That’s not a good analogy. There is no option to stay on the road in this scenario, things are already too far gone. Best outcome would have been Biden seizing the wheel and steering us into the ditch on the other side of the road instead.
Sorry, my friend. But you can’t fight fascism, with fascism. The analogy I used is perfect for the argument you’re making, seeing as how you seem quite willing to drive the bus off a cliff just to stop Trump from doing it first. It makes zero sense.
What do you propose Biden should have done then? What is the proper strategy he should have used to prevent Trump from getting back into power and throwing the nation to the dogs? Because what he did, failed, and now we’re all fucked. Is that preferable to a Biden autocracy?
Biden shouldn’t have done anything. His Attorney General should have been less sensitive about appearing biased, and started pursuing Trump’s prosecution earlier. The entire time the J6 committee was doing its investigation in the Senate…a special prosecutor like Jack Smith, should have been riding along, compiling evidence for an indictment. The instant the committee released its final report, that special prosecutor should have taken over the investigation and presented its evidence to a grand jury, as soon as possible.
That would have given them an extra year to prosecute Trump in court. They were literally weeks away from putting him on trial, as it was. That extra year would have at least guaranteed his disqualification and most likely would have resulted in real prison time.
But Merrick Garland blinked. He dragged his feet before assigning a special prosecutor to continue what the Senate committee had started. That was what they should have done differently. Biden should have had nothing to do with it. It’s the only way to make sure it was a legitimate trial. Any hint that Biden was involved, would have tainted the results and MAGA would have never accepted the outcome.
It wouldn’t even have mattered if some of them still didn’t accept it. Enough of them would, that the movement would have been crippled. And any serious lawmaker in a position of authority would have an almost impossible time explaining away those results, without also discrediting themselves in the process.
Nobody actually cares what the crackpots have to say about the 2020 election results, because there is literally no evidence to back up those claims. It would be the same thing if all the evidence proved that Trump was guilty of trying to commit a coup. We could all safely dismiss all of his remaining supporters as irrelevant, and move on. The sane ones would let it go, and the ones that couldn’t would sound insane.