DEFENDING AMERICA FROM A CHEMICAL WEAPON: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order designating illicit fentanyl and its core precursor
So, can some folks here correct my ignorance. I was under the impression that most of the fentanyl entering the US is being manufactured in China. It doesn’t sound crazy to me that this is some sort of conspiracy to weaken the American public.
I’m not sure why we can’t just decriminalize drugs so folks and do heroin in peace. Or maybe fix some of the problems that are causing people to do drugs.
I was under the impression that most of the fentanyl entering the US is being manufactured in China. It doesn’t sound crazy to me that this is some sort of conspiracy to weaken the American public.
Ok but where exactly did you get that impression and what evidence have you seen to actually prove it? If we didn’t want drugs in our country it would be easy to prevent, but we’re busy using their presence as a justification for mass incarceration/slave labor and our foreign policy so it would be inconcenient for the supply to suddenly dry up. You should be extremely skeptical of anything US media says. The obvious answer to the second part is “money”
I think I saw or heard something by Hamilton Morris about China being where most of the fentanyl is made. China has some amazing drug manufacturing facilities and they usually make stuff that people need. But the chemists there are really smart and can make lots of different chemicals.
If the drugs aren’t coming from China where do you think they’re coming from? My source is admittedly weak, that’s why I was asking to be corrected.
Also how do you prevent drugs from entering a country? Wouldn’t reducing the demands for drugs be a more permanent solution?
If you saw or heard it but can’t prove it then you should probably be looking for evidence before you start telling other people it’s true. If I had to guess where our drugs are coming from I’d assume they’re being produced by some US puppet state in the middle east or south america and smuggled in by the CIA because that’s how they’ve been doing it for most of a century now. Yes, reducing demand by directly addressing the social and economic conditions that lead to drug abuse in the first place would be far more effective than just criminalizing use & trafficking, which is exactly why we’re not doing that.
Which one? US intelligence being involved in drug smuggling or social services/rehab&etc working better than criminalization? Either way the answer is yes a shitload, they’re both extremely well documented subjects
I think that “easy to prevent” is a gross mischaracterization. The flow of goods into this country is mammoth. Checking literally every item, while possible, would crash the economy by bringing imports to a standstill. When you compare the cost of fentanyl in the system against stopping the flow of goods, the economic impact doesn’t even come close.
We have an incredible, historic, and unprecedented access to goods from around the globe. These items are essentially on-demand for the American consumer, and many people fear the reality that an economic crash would bring; not that everyone would die slowly in the streets, but that we would become responsible for providing for ourselves in a manner that we have forgotten how to do.
So, in addition to checking every item, you would have to reshape the way that Americans live their lives.
Don’t need a 100% interception success rate to successfully suppress domestic black market drug supply, but we’re not actually trying to do that anyway
The precursor is made in China, but not fentanyl itself. They sell the precursor, and, IIRC, it’s largely finished in Mexico. The precursor is nominally legal, so it’s shipped as close as it can be to be manufactured.
It’s mostly cocaine coming through Venezuela I think. It’s not being grown there, but it is one of several shipping routes.
I know, they should have access to something safer than fentanyl, especially since the way it’s taken it only lasts very briefly and is very addictive.
So, can some folks here correct my ignorance. I was under the impression that most of the fentanyl entering the US is being manufactured in China. It doesn’t sound crazy to me that this is some sort of conspiracy to weaken the American public.
I’m not sure why we can’t just decriminalize drugs so folks and do heroin in peace. Or maybe fix some of the problems that are causing people to do drugs.
Reverse Opium Wars lolol
Generally China is being worryingly successful recently
Ok but where exactly did you get that impression and what evidence have you seen to actually prove it? If we didn’t want drugs in our country it would be easy to prevent, but we’re busy using their presence as a justification for mass incarceration/slave labor and our foreign policy so it would be inconcenient for the supply to suddenly dry up. You should be extremely skeptical of anything US media says. The obvious answer to the second part is “money”
I think I saw or heard something by Hamilton Morris about China being where most of the fentanyl is made. China has some amazing drug manufacturing facilities and they usually make stuff that people need. But the chemists there are really smart and can make lots of different chemicals.
If the drugs aren’t coming from China where do you think they’re coming from? My source is admittedly weak, that’s why I was asking to be corrected.
Also how do you prevent drugs from entering a country? Wouldn’t reducing the demands for drugs be a more permanent solution?
If you saw or heard it but can’t prove it then you should probably be looking for evidence before you start telling other people it’s true. If I had to guess where our drugs are coming from I’d assume they’re being produced by some US puppet state in the middle east or south america and smuggled in by the CIA because that’s how they’ve been doing it for most of a century now. Yes, reducing demand by directly addressing the social and economic conditions that lead to drug abuse in the first place would be far more effective than just criminalizing use & trafficking, which is exactly why we’re not doing that.
Do you have a good source for that claim?
Which one? US intelligence being involved in drug smuggling or social services/rehab&etc working better than criminalization? Either way the answer is yes a shitload, they’re both extremely well documented subjects
That fentanyl is primarily coming from the Middle East.
I said “if I had to guess” and “the middle east or south america”
I think that “easy to prevent” is a gross mischaracterization. The flow of goods into this country is mammoth. Checking literally every item, while possible, would crash the economy by bringing imports to a standstill. When you compare the cost of fentanyl in the system against stopping the flow of goods, the economic impact doesn’t even come close.
We have an incredible, historic, and unprecedented access to goods from around the globe. These items are essentially on-demand for the American consumer, and many people fear the reality that an economic crash would bring; not that everyone would die slowly in the streets, but that we would become responsible for providing for ourselves in a manner that we have forgotten how to do.
So, in addition to checking every item, you would have to reshape the way that Americans live their lives.
Don’t need a 100% interception success rate to successfully suppress domestic black market drug supply, but we’re not actually trying to do that anyway
The precursor is made in China, but not fentanyl itself. They sell the precursor, and, IIRC, it’s largely finished in Mexico. The precursor is nominally legal, so it’s shipped as close as it can be to be manufactured.
It’s mostly cocaine coming through Venezuela I think. It’s not being grown there, but it is one of several shipping routes.
You need healthcare to handle the ramifications of the drug pandemic that comes from legalizing heroin.
Do you have some of that healthcare because the Dotard sure as hell doesn’t. He’s too busy stealing from every pot of government money.
Hmm, attacking foreign places under the guise of weapons of mass destruction. Sounds familiar, but I can’t place it.
/s
It is most certainly not coming from Venezuela.
Pain management is a profitable industry, there is an illegal black market around it, but I’m pretty sure pharmacies are still the largest supplier.
People go to the black market after the primary market fails, like they lose their insurance.
I know, they should have access to something safer than fentanyl, especially since the way it’s taken it only lasts very briefly and is very addictive.
But the margins are a lot healthier on synthetics, plus everyone is put off by oxy now. It got some bad press for getting people hooked on drugs.