Christians say, “God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence.” But, at the same time, these same people say, “God had to send his son to die because it was the only way.”

Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He’s not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he’s this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.

I don’t know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can’t use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do??? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can’t use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, “We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you.”

See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you’re saying this was the only way, then fine, but don’t say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God’s own power.

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    Matthew 26 says this was the only way.

    O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt

    Jesus literally say if there were another way, let us do that.

    So yes, if you believe in the Bible, you believe that there’s was not another way to let the suffering pass, not another way to bring salvation to everyone.

    This being said, it’s all bullshit. I studied for decades. Taught for years, served as a missionary, leader, etc. There isn’t anything on this earth that proves the asinine shit in the Bible. I’ve studied every religious text I could, read them over and over. And watched the evil shit we do, watched the damage those in every church create and allow to happen. Watched as those that are supposedly ordained of God do nothing but evil. Fuck religion. Fuck idiots that believe.

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      Jesus literally said: Father why have you forsaken me? He, as the son, couldn’t even fully understand it when his human side overcame the divine.

      Knowing what happens and understanding why it happens are different things, I don’t understand how can you interpret Matthew 26 like that, it doesn’t say it has to only happen that way but it will happen that way because God made so. This is like arguing why a chair is called a chair and not a tablet it was decided that way but it could have been decided differently.

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        I didn’t know how you can deny the words that are literally written there. But you obviously believe in religion, so I understand that you make up what you want to fit your own narrative.