All I see here are excuses… excuses to justify inaction
The world has seen Murica decent into fascism for at least 15 years (as in CLEARLY FALLING)… sure it’s hard now but your own apathy and “fuck you got mine” attitude brought you here, there are no easy answers and you will NOT get out of this by waiting it out
While you do fuck all, the rest of the world suffers real pain… you think your ICE thugs are bad? (and yes, they are) what about the thousands your country kills around the world for sport?
So Muricans, fuck you, cry me a river and get to the fucking streets to stop the complete holy fucking mess YOU created
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband. ICE kills someone, I pull out my gun and start shooting at ICE and get killed when they shoot back.
What the fuck did I just accomplish? How did that help anything at all??
Like what the fuck are you thinking is going to happen here?
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband
Maybe just go to protest (on a weekday this time please)… let’s start there… you don’t have to indulge in your Murican violent fantasy for every scenario
Can you read? The original commenter was saying we should “use our second amendment rights”. In case you don’t know what that means it a reference to Americans second amendment which is the right to bear arms (guns). I can only assume you don’t know about it otherwise you wouldn’t have commented.
I’ll have escalated the situation to warrant the use of legal force against all future protestors. What the fuck is wrong with your brain that you can be so far off from reality??
They already use deadly force against current protestors, legality be damned.
At least admit you’re scared of facing reality, it’s no shame, half of that minority of muricans with a brain is probably in shock trying to.cope with all of this.
What planet are you living on? How many protesters do you think have been killed by ICE?? That’s ok, I’ll wait, you can use your fingers to help you count if you need to.
Didn’t catch a number from you big guy. Claiming ice is already killing protestors, should be easy to give a number unless you pulled that shit out of your ass.
No, you’re just fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation. But yeah, keep whining online about how people whine online, hypocritical moron.
No, you gave up before trying… all the land of the free and home of the brave crap turned out to be more Murican PR based on hopes and dreams
It’s OK, as you have certainly seen in the news, they are coming for you sooner than later… maybe then you’ll realize that a small sacrifice yesterday was worth the huge sacrifice they’ll take off you tomorrow
Complete ignorance. You sound like you’ve never had to truly sacrifice anything in your life. You’ll never understand so keep trolling to make yourself feel better.
Nobody is coming to solve this for you bud… so you can continue to pretend to be the victim or face the fact you helped cause this and now have to sacrifice a bit in the hopes of getting it fixed
Maybe start by organizing one of those cutesy No King marches on a weekday when it would actually affect something
Join a political party or an organization that is not one of the sellouts
Join any canal you can find that informs about protests, strikes and other actions
Educate yourself on the actual methods of protesting, what works or doesn’t work, what you should do or not
Organize these infos if needed and share them around
Equip yourself, take a dumb phone, take liquid eye cleaners droplets (no idea how it’s called in english), take something to cover your nose and mouth against tear gas, take some kind of eye protection
Learn your rights, what to do and learn a specific lawyer phone number (by heart) in case of arrest
Relay those links, organizations and everything around yourself
If it’s available to you and in line with your ethics, arm yourself before they confiscate weapons to politically awake citizens - and of course, start training yourself
This above is the easy part you can do from your couch. Then:
Follow and participate to your union/party/organization events/meet-ups/flyer distribution/cybermilitantism/…, try to help them in the ways you can. You have a car? Offer to bring food to the meet-ups. You’re following the news 24/7? Offer to set up a RSS feed or some kind of news aggregator with what’s important in your area and all the shit that’s happening. You’re good with computers? Help those that want it to install a linux distro instead of spyware OS…
It is very important to find or create networks of people around you that are decided to help improve the situation, as they can help you in case you need it. It doesn’t even mean that you have to join dangerous action (you define what’s dangerous for you), but even just signalling to the people that will act that they are not alone by being one more person in the group is already a boost for everyone, especially if you help them in some ways.
Then, as much as you can, participate in the group’s actions, and evangelize the group’s existence around you.
What if there’s no action? Try to push for it in the meet-ups. Start with something easy. Tracts distribution, door-to-door to offer help and support around your neighborhood and make the group known, sentry in your communities to signal ICE/dangerous individuals raids and presence, offer to be a contact or to help people that might be targeted next, create workshops to rewrite the constitution in a way that would make it better for everyone, organize debates where people of different opinions actually listen to each others…
The group needs to build confidence by actively doing something useful together. And it can stop here if people in the group have cold feet for more - it’s already great. Once the group is created and solid, it will be able to change direction if needed by the political climate.
Next steps if people are motivated: actual political activism. Protests, sit-ins, happenings, guerrilla urbanism, petitions, blocking highways, or going to talk to people in power… The research you’ve done in the first steps should give you ideas of what you can do, and how to do it.
Advice from a french protester: keep things joyful. Our protests are always a happy moment (up until the cops come and hit us), we’re singing, we’re dancing, we’re having fun. It shouldn’t be a chore to be there, and if possible the action should make people want to join you. It helps grow the movement, it helps grow the links between people, it gives a good image of the movement.
And what if there is no group like that around you? (Well I can’t believe there is no union, but ok.) Then build one! Start small, with people in your community, with people that work at the food bank, with people you’ve met at the No Kings protests or something.
You cannot succeed as individuals. This is political, and political is the action of the many. Join the many, help increase the many, create the many if needed. The more numerous you are, the stronger you will be.
All I see here are excuses… excuses to justify inaction
The world has seen Murica decent into fascism for at least 15 years (as in CLEARLY FALLING)… sure it’s hard now but your own apathy and “fuck you got mine” attitude brought you here, there are no easy answers and you will NOT get out of this by waiting it out
While you do fuck all, the rest of the world suffers real pain… you think your ICE thugs are bad? (and yes, they are) what about the thousands your country kills around the world for sport?
So Muricans, fuck you, cry me a river and get to the fucking streets to stop the complete holy fucking mess YOU created
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband. ICE kills someone, I pull out my gun and start shooting at ICE and get killed when they shoot back.
What the fuck did I just accomplish? How did that help anything at all??
Like what the fuck are you thinking is going to happen here?
Maybe just go to protest (on a weekday this time please)… let’s start there… you don’t have to indulge in your Murican violent fantasy for every scenario
Can you read? The original commenter was saying we should “use our second amendment rights”. In case you don’t know what that means it a reference to Americans second amendment which is the right to bear arms (guns). I can only assume you don’t know about it otherwise you wouldn’t have commented.
You will have shown ICE they can’t kill without consequence, making them think twice.
You will have encouraged others to fight alongside you.
Or you can stay on your couch. Thoughts and prayers and all that…
I’ll have escalated the situation to warrant the use of legal force against all future protestors. What the fuck is wrong with your brain that you can be so far off from reality??
They already use deadly force against current protestors, legality be damned.
At least admit you’re scared of facing reality, it’s no shame, half of that minority of muricans with a brain is probably in shock trying to.cope with all of this.
What planet are you living on? How many protesters do you think have been killed by ICE?? That’s ok, I’ll wait, you can use your fingers to help you count if you need to.
Oh, OK, it was “just a few” so fuck it. 👍
The answer is zero there big guy. Try to do any amount of research more than none at all next time
So how many dead people do you need before you personally think it’s worth getting off the couch?
Didn’t catch a number from you big guy. Claiming ice is already killing protestors, should be easy to give a number unless you pulled that shit out of your ass.
You are right… stay silent and keep taking in the ass while the rest of the world burns from your stupidity
Eat shit you waste of space. Comment your bullshit on web forums and think your doing something remotely useful. Get a life.
No, I’m complaining Muricans are doing nothing… learn to read, then you can insult me all you want
No, you’re just fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation. But yeah, keep whining online about how people whine online, hypocritical moron.
No, you gave up before trying… all the land of the free and home of the brave crap turned out to be more Murican PR based on hopes and dreams
It’s OK, as you have certainly seen in the news, they are coming for you sooner than later… maybe then you’ll realize that a small sacrifice yesterday was worth the huge sacrifice they’ll take off you tomorrow
Complete ignorance. You sound like you’ve never had to truly sacrifice anything in your life. You’ll never understand so keep trolling to make yourself feel better.
Exactly what kind of action should I be taking according to you?
something? anything?
OK, thanks. Real helpful.
Nobody is coming to solve this for you bud… so you can continue to pretend to be the victim or face the fact you helped cause this and now have to sacrifice a bit in the hopes of getting it fixed
Maybe start by organizing one of those cutesy No King marches on a weekday when it would actually affect something
I mean, at least as an exercise for when fascism inevitably comes to your country what specifically should I be doing right now?
Since nobody answers, here’s what I’d do:
This above is the easy part you can do from your couch. Then:
It is very important to find or create networks of people around you that are decided to help improve the situation, as they can help you in case you need it. It doesn’t even mean that you have to join dangerous action (you define what’s dangerous for you), but even just signalling to the people that will act that they are not alone by being one more person in the group is already a boost for everyone, especially if you help them in some ways.
Then, as much as you can, participate in the group’s actions, and evangelize the group’s existence around you.
What if there’s no action? Try to push for it in the meet-ups. Start with something easy. Tracts distribution, door-to-door to offer help and support around your neighborhood and make the group known, sentry in your communities to signal ICE/dangerous individuals raids and presence, offer to be a contact or to help people that might be targeted next, create workshops to rewrite the constitution in a way that would make it better for everyone, organize debates where people of different opinions actually listen to each others… The group needs to build confidence by actively doing something useful together. And it can stop here if people in the group have cold feet for more - it’s already great. Once the group is created and solid, it will be able to change direction if needed by the political climate.
Next steps if people are motivated: actual political activism. Protests, sit-ins, happenings, guerrilla urbanism, petitions, blocking highways, or going to talk to people in power… The research you’ve done in the first steps should give you ideas of what you can do, and how to do it. Advice from a french protester: keep things joyful. Our protests are always a happy moment (up until the cops come and hit us), we’re singing, we’re dancing, we’re having fun. It shouldn’t be a chore to be there, and if possible the action should make people want to join you. It helps grow the movement, it helps grow the links between people, it gives a good image of the movement.
And what if there is no group like that around you? (Well I can’t believe there is no union, but ok.) Then build one! Start small, with people in your community, with people that work at the food bank, with people you’ve met at the No Kings protests or something.
You cannot succeed as individuals. This is political, and political is the action of the many. Join the many, help increase the many, create the many if needed. The more numerous you are, the stronger you will be.
Wow! What specific, actionable advice you’ve given. Go take your stupidity somewhere else.
Why is it up to me to tell you how to save your country?