I don’t think it’s that simple. If you were a good citizen you’d stop the bad ones from doing bad things. Why haven’t you? I see bad things all the time
Because it isn’t my actual JOB, that’s why. That’s their job, that they applied for, and we PAY them to do. Nobody is forcing them to be cops. How are we supposed to trust them to clean up crime in our city, when they can’t even clean it up in their own workplace?
If someone in my house was an active criminal, I WOULD do something about it, but it’s not up to me to do anything about anyone else. That’s called vigilante justice, and it’s illegal. We hire COPS to do that. Then they won’t, because it’s too dangerous.
This is ridiculous. The argument was “ALL Cops Are Bad, even good ones, because they aren’t cleaning up their own force,” a reasonable position.
You have tried to morph it into “Because cops aren’t doing their jobs, it falls to me to do their jobs for them, or I’M the bad person.” And now I got to defend why I’m criticizing cops when I’m not willing to step up and do their jobs for them, a really dumb position I don’t believe, that I’m not interested in defending, just because you tried to manipulate the conversation that way.
Stop moving the goalposts. Good cops are still bad because they allow bad cops to operate with impunity. The solution isn’t to allow them to continue their corruption and abuse, and have citizens take over law enforcement duties as vigilantes, the proper solution is to rehabilitate the police force, and reconfigure it to follow the original mission of all law enforcement: to serve and protect.
That’s the debate I wanted to have, and that’s my position. You have no defensible position, so you have to reframe a new argument, which I’m not interested in having, especially with some who debates in bad faith.
If you are a “good” cop, then you would do everything you could to clean up your police force, and get rid of the bad ones.
But they don’t. At best, they look the other way from abuse. That makes them complicit.
I don’t think it’s that simple. If you were a good citizen you’d stop the bad ones from doing bad things. Why haven’t you? I see bad things all the time
Because it isn’t my actual JOB, that’s why. That’s their job, that they applied for, and we PAY them to do. Nobody is forcing them to be cops. How are we supposed to trust them to clean up crime in our city, when they can’t even clean it up in their own workplace?
If someone in my house was an active criminal, I WOULD do something about it, but it’s not up to me to do anything about anyone else. That’s called vigilante justice, and it’s illegal. We hire COPS to do that. Then they won’t, because it’s too dangerous.
This sums up why the left is never winning a fucking thing anytime soon. It’s not my job
Because we expect cops to do their jobs competently? Okay…
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Why should I be doing the jobs that we pay cops to do? You’re not making sense.
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This is ridiculous. The argument was “ALL Cops Are Bad, even good ones, because they aren’t cleaning up their own force,” a reasonable position.
You have tried to morph it into “Because cops aren’t doing their jobs, it falls to me to do their jobs for them, or I’M the bad person.” And now I got to defend why I’m criticizing cops when I’m not willing to step up and do their jobs for them, a really dumb position I don’t believe, that I’m not interested in defending, just because you tried to manipulate the conversation that way.
Stop moving the goalposts. Good cops are still bad because they allow bad cops to operate with impunity. The solution isn’t to allow them to continue their corruption and abuse, and have citizens take over law enforcement duties as vigilantes, the proper solution is to rehabilitate the police force, and reconfigure it to follow the original mission of all law enforcement: to serve and protect.
That’s the debate I wanted to have, and that’s my position. You have no defensible position, so you have to reframe a new argument, which I’m not interested in having, especially with some who debates in bad faith.