Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
Oh no, people are not trying to understand your subtle and nuanced argument of “Palestinian genocide and the Holocaust are different because the Jews never fought back”.
You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel. And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you. It just doesn’t make much sense to argue with you, so I’m going to stop.
You mean the outdated charter that has since been replaced to clarify opposition to the settler colonial state, rather than Jews as a whole?
Oh, yeah, that’s so much better. “We will keep fighting until we eliminate a country” is such a peaceful and lovable sentiment!
You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State? This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.
The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region. The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation and we do not need a state. Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state. Palestinians themselves, were decedents of the Ancient Israelites who converted to Islam. Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.
So, exactly like Israelites? Good to see that you actually agree with them having a right to a nation state!
Well, if you ignore all historical data that has very clearly shown Jews and Israelites being persecuted in the region, which was the region for them leaving it in large enough numbers to be considered a stateless nation like the Roma - yeah, then you’re absolutely correct.
Again, you’d be correct if you ignore the entirety of the history of the region. The persecution of Israelites started around 700 BCE, mate.
I really don’t need some kkkrakkker ass fucking Finn to lecture me about my own people’s history just so they can perpetrate the antisemitic correlation of my people to a fucking genocide. So back to Sieg Heiling the statue of Simo The Jew Slayer erected in your town plaza because your people never forgave the Soviets for beating them and their nazi allies in the Second World War.
They’re a genocide defender from a Finnish instance, they might actually think that.
I love how you guys call me a “genocide defender” after I’ve stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D
You’re exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn’t 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they’re a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.
Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide. This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.
I disagree here.
Palestinians and Israelites lived in the region for - literally - thousands of years, but neither had a nation. The exact same resolution that established Israel, also established Palestine, and that happened after the “civil war” between them. It wasn’t genocide, it was a ham-fisted attempt at stopping a genocide, because both parties wanted to eliminate the other.
Do I agree to all Israel’s policies, including the occupation of West Bank and Gaza? Absolutely not. Do I agree that the way these two nations were established was correct? Absolutely not.
But this is what they got, and they need to learn to live with it. Just like Qatar did. Or Yemen. Or Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Jordan, etc. They were all established by the colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they were all created by moronic Europeans who divided the land based off of oil reserves, and not history, culture, or religion. But - somehow - you don’t see Qatar fighting Bahrain non stop, or Emirates bombing the Saudis.
I’m against going “ooh, but historically X should be Y”. What’s the historical state you want to turn back the borders to? Should Poland stop existing because we’re turning back time to the 18th century? Are we going back to 19th century, where Ukraine was under the russian boot? What is the “correct” state of the world’s borders, in your opinion?
You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing? This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.
No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because you are.
Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what “genocide” means.
Funnily enough - YOU are a proponent of genocide, if you believe the Israelites should have their nationality removed. That’s literally one of the defining aspects of a genocide.
I don’t defend colonialism >as defined in real life<. It’s not what you consider to be “colonialism”, but that’s just because you’re a fundamentalist and an extremist.
The one you are referring to is the 1988 one written 50 years ago that immediately became irrelevant just a few years after it was written. It was and has been irrelevant since basically the beginning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter
edit: if it’s not clear, my tone isn’t meant to be debate or assholeish but genuine correction on that point, i just noticed that specific part from this thread and wanted to correct the record
How surprising, you’re doing Hasbara. The charter was irrelevant soon after it was written, Hamas changed many times very quickly throughout its history, and the charter you’re referring to was in fact literally replaced with a new one in 2017. You are a zionist.
No, you wouldn’t and you didn’t. The trick of “fighting back is their right but they’re doing it wrong” isn’t fooling anyone.
And there it is the Zionist blood libel against Palestinians and repeat of genocide propaganda.