An online peer support group for people overcoming addiction to pornography has filed a lawsuit against the authors of a paper critical of the group, as well as the publisher Taylor & Francis, …
It’s not that porn or masturbation is bad. Spending 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week on it is. If you don’t believe this to be the case, then I’d genuinely like to hear your reasoning.
We put legal caps on who can gamble and where not because it can be addictive but because it can have damaging affects on anyone who uses money because it is a game of chance, at which you can lose, and it requires an adults ability to make decisions about property (where the law doesn’t recognize the property of minors).
Fundamentally what you are arguing is that there are people who have an addiction and you want advocacy for those people, at the cost of the freedoms of other people, because that’s exactly what this co-opted group is trying to achieve. That’s why you receive pushback against your comments.
Addiction is a psychological medical issue. If you have an addiction it’s very likely that you need medical help to deal with that addiction and treat/overcome it. That doesn’t mean that lawfully people who don’t have that addiction should be forced to put themselves in danger to have whatever materials you happen to be addicted to.
No, I don’t. I’m only asking people not to dismiss addiction to porn or masturbation as not being a real thing or harmful.
I just told someone that spending 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week on it is actively harming me, and the response was that going to work is an even bigger waste of time and that I’m free to spend my free time however I want. That’s an unbelievably idiotic thing to say to someone who’s trying to kick an addiction.
There are people in the world who think addiction doesn’t exist full stop. That’s part of the reason I used gambling addiction as an example.
You aren’t going to convince people who don’t believe. It’s not worth it to try to remind them because they aren’t going to change their mind unless they experience it in their real lives.
But the problem here is that the aim of this group isn’t to bring awareness of porn addiction, and advocate for the people afflicted with it. The main aim of this group is to further their religion based vendetta against the porn industry. That’s actively harmful to people like you who have an addiction. Specifically because it makes other people take you less seriously.
And yet here you are trying to (at best) hitch your sail about pron addiction to an article and discussion about a group that are actively harming you, who also did a bunch of illegal shit to people who studied the group and released information about it that wasn’t flattering to them
Those illegal actions include doxxing and inciting people to sexually assault one of those researchers.
My comment isn’t off topic. It’s an issue I care about so I speak up. I do not self-censor because the room is primed to turn against me. Not a single thing I’ve said here in any shape or form is defending the extremists of the NoFap community.
It’s not that porn or masturbation is bad. Spending 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week on it is. If you don’t believe this to be the case, then I’d genuinely like to hear your reasoning.
well, what about going to work ? that’s even longer and even more of a waste of time. it’s your time do with it as you wish.
People don’t generally try and seek help for behaviour they wish to continue.
We put legal caps on who can gamble and where not because it can be addictive but because it can have damaging affects on anyone who uses money because it is a game of chance, at which you can lose, and it requires an adults ability to make decisions about property (where the law doesn’t recognize the property of minors).
Fundamentally what you are arguing is that there are people who have an addiction and you want advocacy for those people, at the cost of the freedoms of other people, because that’s exactly what this co-opted group is trying to achieve. That’s why you receive pushback against your comments.
Addiction is a psychological medical issue. If you have an addiction it’s very likely that you need medical help to deal with that addiction and treat/overcome it. That doesn’t mean that lawfully people who don’t have that addiction should be forced to put themselves in danger to have whatever materials you happen to be addicted to.
No, I don’t. I’m only asking people not to dismiss addiction to porn or masturbation as not being a real thing or harmful.
I just told someone that spending 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week on it is actively harming me, and the response was that going to work is an even bigger waste of time and that I’m free to spend my free time however I want. That’s an unbelievably idiotic thing to say to someone who’s trying to kick an addiction.
There are people in the world who think addiction doesn’t exist full stop. That’s part of the reason I used gambling addiction as an example.
You aren’t going to convince people who don’t believe. It’s not worth it to try to remind them because they aren’t going to change their mind unless they experience it in their real lives.
But the problem here is that the aim of this group isn’t to bring awareness of porn addiction, and advocate for the people afflicted with it. The main aim of this group is to further their religion based vendetta against the porn industry. That’s actively harmful to people like you who have an addiction. Specifically because it makes other people take you less seriously.
And yet here you are trying to (at best) hitch your sail about pron addiction to an article and discussion about a group that are actively harming you, who also did a bunch of illegal shit to people who studied the group and released information about it that wasn’t flattering to them
Those illegal actions include doxxing and inciting people to sexually assault one of those researchers.
Maybe read the room.
My comment isn’t off topic. It’s an issue I care about so I speak up. I do not self-censor because the room is primed to turn against me. Not a single thing I’ve said here in any shape or form is defending the extremists of the NoFap community.
Yeah but 4 hours a day of a lot of things would be equally insane…
Yes, and when you can’t stop on your own it’s generally advisable to try and find help.