This is the most extreme form of vibes-based politics I think I’ve seen in a while. By that standard, schools should not exist. This is peak anti-intellectualism to the point of absurdity.
No, I am discussing anarchism the concept as it has evolved over time and has actually existed in real life, even if only for short periods. You’ve invented a brand new ideology that rejects itself as such and undermines its own premise.
Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can’t imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes.
It’s hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That’ll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce.
A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don’t you agree?
The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out.
I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire.
The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren’t the most stable. Now we’ve never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain.
Though I’m starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government.
Okay I’ve had an incling that you aren’t arguing in good faith but now I’m convinced enough to say something. If you don’t respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I’ll be out of steam.
The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist.
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This is the most extreme form of vibes-based politics I think I’ve seen in a while. By that standard, schools should not exist. This is peak anti-intellectualism to the point of absurdity.
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Have you actually read anarchist theory? I have. I don’t agree with it, but the idea that education is an unjustifiable hierarchy is absurd.
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No it isn’t, you’re inventing a concept and believing it to be the concept.
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No, I am discussing anarchism the concept as it has evolved over time and has actually existed in real life, even if only for short periods. You’ve invented a brand new ideology that rejects itself as such and undermines its own premise.
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Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can’t imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes.
It’s hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That’ll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce.
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A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don’t you agree?
The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out.
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Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire.
The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren’t the most stable. Now we’ve never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain.
Though I’m starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government.
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Okay I’ve had an incling that you aren’t arguing in good faith but now I’m convinced enough to say something. If you don’t respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I’ll be out of steam.
The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist.
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