• InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Show me exactly where I say we should skip out entirely. Show me exactly how I am being counter-productive.

    And you won’t get the results you want because you don’t show up to vote. Aka, you are being counter productive to your own ends.

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      4 hours ago

      I did not say we should skip out on voting there, I said voting is not emphasized by Marxists due to not being capable of delivering results. I don’t know why you think that after centuries of reformists trying to vote for positive change that it will finally happen. Look at Allende, he was voted in and then immediately coup’d for it by Pinochet and the US Empire. Revolution is necessary.

      Please show me one example of electoralism resulting in socialists taking power and being able to solidify it. Just one. Please also explain why you believe that this time it will be different and finally work.

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        4 hours ago

        ook at Allende, he was voted in and then immediately coup’d for it by Pinochet and the US Empire. Revolution is necessary.

        A revolution could also be coup’ed therefore we should not make one by your own logic.

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          4 hours ago

          No? The point is that taking the system over on a strictly legal basis leaves the institutions intact that can revert it to capitalism. We learned this back at the Paris Commune, and learned it again with Allende. Revolution is necessary because we must smash the state and replace it with a socialist one, we cannot merely take hold of a capitalist state and morph it into a socialist one.

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            4 hours ago

            The point is that taking the system over on a strictly legal basis

            You can’t because you don’t vote.

            You can’t otherwise because your movement can’t even coordinate (or is to apathetic) to vote; much less to storm the capital.

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              You can’t because you don’t vote.

              I did vote in the last election, and do vote. You’re insistent on lying about the position of others even after we tell you. Further, you cannot take over the system legally and resist reversion, I’d love for you to give a single counter-example to what I already explained with the Paris Commune, Allende, etc.

              You can’t otherwise because your movement can’t even coordinate (or is to apathetic) to vote; much less to storm the capital.

              That’s like saying the Marxist movement is apathetic to building the world’s largest sand castle. Storming the capital isn’t going to do anything at the moment because there isn’t a clear vanguard party and the revolutionary moment isn’t yet here, and even if everyone voted Marxist it still wouldn’t change the system.

              Are you allergic to addressing this?

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                  4 hours ago

                  No, and the fact that you keep making the same false accusation speaks volumes. Do you know how many days MLs give up organizing, year round?

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                    3 hours ago

                    Its not an accusation if you are putting this much energy into telling me why elections don’t matter. At least do the minimum there and encourage your fellow MLs to do so.