Repair goes mega mainstream with the launch of Lenovo’s new T-series business laptops, which earned our highest honor with a 10/10 repairability score.
I kinda doubt Framework’s success, no matter how large by niche manufacturer standards, even reaches Lenovo’s sales on a bad day.
Good that they’re (apparently) changing though.
Exactly, but it still won’t get them my money. I believe in rewarding companies who had the balls to listen to their customers first with my dollars. Framework will be my next laptop no matter what any other competitor comes out with.
They’re the only reason we’re seeing any company starting to u-turn and make modular/repairable laptops.
I was not aware of that stuff you linked, appreciate the sources and education. I read through them and damn… 😩 there’s always some wacko ruining shit for the rest of us.
I agree that DHH guy sounds like a bigoted nut, but the thing about the Hyprland community being toxic doesn’t sound any different to just about any other linux community. There’s always some douche wanting to sound superior to others on the forums and usually a lot of them.
Elitest mentality kills just about any community enjoyment for a broad spectrum of intrests. So to me that’s just background noise, the DHH thing though… you have a valid concern.
I don’t think there is any truly clean competition sadly we seem to live in a world of the lesser evils instead of the lesser goods. I’ll keep my eyes out and see if any better options come up, or if you have any recommends on companies to keep in mind.
Though reparability is a good part of it, another would be a concrete commitment that the form factor of various things will be consistent generation to generation, that Gen 8 boards will fit into a current laptop.
I suppose Framework will be the better laptop for individuals looking to buy a new laptop, but also business class laptops come with fancy enterprise things like on-site repairs. So I think large corporations, the main customers of new T series Thinkpads, will continue buying them just the same anyway.
I think the people benefitting the most here actually are going to be the people buying off-lease Thinkpads. Those of us who know a quality used laptop is better than a cheapo new one (like a Pavilion or Ideapad), but also don’t want to spring for a brand new laptop (in which case Framework would be the best option - they’d be great used too, but they’re not that common on the used market)
I suppose Framework will be the better laptop for individuals looking to buy a new laptop, but also business class laptops come with fancy enterprise things like on-site repairs. So I think large corporations, the main customers of new T series Thinkpads, will continue buying them just the same anyway.
I think the people benefitting the most here actually are going to be the people buying off-lease Thinkpads. Those of us who know a quality used laptop is better than a cheapo new one (like a Pavilion or Ideapad), but also don’t want to spring for a brand new laptop (in which case Framework would be the best option - they’d be great used too, but they’re not that common on the used market)
This is me. I’m casually looking at a used Think Pad for Linux purposes and like you say, I know a well looked after second hand business class T model is better than a brand new shittop
yeah, my company recently switched away from dell to Framework laptops. a couple of my coworkers with the Framework laptops really like them. They like how sturdy they are. The magnesium alloy case doesn’t flex at all. Our dell laptops with plastic cases often get dented and bent so eastily, and cause various problems.
We also have a couple Lenovo laptops, and I haven’t heard of any issues. Generally, the plastic used for Lenovo’s cases are noticeably thicker and harder than dells’.
I definitely feel a sense of ease knowing that if anything goes wrong with our framework laptops, I will most likely be able to fix it.
We’ve been buying the Vostro series and XPS series.
I know the Vostro series is low end, but I thought the XPS series would be higher quality, but they had cases that fllexed just as much as the lower end Vostro.
TBH, we have not been buying Latitudes because they did not have the specs we were looking for. If recall correctly, yeah, the Latitudes we did have stood up fairly well.
That’s awesome, but what issues did they have with dell? They’re pretty easy to disassemble and repair if you don’t buy the cheap consumer shit, get latitudes. But I’m all for straying away for framework.
They got scared by Framework sucess
Lmao
I kinda doubt Framework’s success, no matter how large by niche manufacturer standards, even reaches Lenovo’s sales on a bad day.
Good that they’re (apparently) changing though.
Exactly, but it still won’t get them my money. I believe in rewarding companies who had the balls to listen to their customers first with my dollars. Framework will be my next laptop no matter what any other competitor comes out with.
They’re the only reason we’re seeing any company starting to u-turn and make modular/repairable laptops.
Big tent Framework?
I was not aware of that stuff you linked, appreciate the sources and education. I read through them and damn… 😩 there’s always some wacko ruining shit for the rest of us.
I agree that DHH guy sounds like a bigoted nut, but the thing about the Hyprland community being toxic doesn’t sound any different to just about any other linux community. There’s always some douche wanting to sound superior to others on the forums and usually a lot of them.
Elitest mentality kills just about any community enjoyment for a broad spectrum of intrests. So to me that’s just background noise, the DHH thing though… you have a valid concern.
I don’t think there is any truly clean competition sadly we seem to live in a world of the lesser evils instead of the lesser goods. I’ll keep my eyes out and see if any better options come up, or if you have any recommends on companies to keep in mind.
Well, good…
Though reparability is a good part of it, another would be a concrete commitment that the form factor of various things will be consistent generation to generation, that Gen 8 boards will fit into a current laptop.
I suppose Framework will be the better laptop for individuals looking to buy a new laptop, but also business class laptops come with fancy enterprise things like on-site repairs. So I think large corporations, the main customers of new T series Thinkpads, will continue buying them just the same anyway.
I think the people benefitting the most here actually are going to be the people buying off-lease Thinkpads. Those of us who know a quality used laptop is better than a cheapo new one (like a Pavilion or Ideapad), but also don’t want to spring for a brand new laptop (in which case Framework would be the best option - they’d be great used too, but they’re not that common on the used market)
I suppose Framework will be the better laptop for individuals looking to buy a new laptop, but also business class laptops come with fancy enterprise things like on-site repairs. So I think large corporations, the main customers of new T series Thinkpads, will continue buying them just the same anyway.
I think the people benefitting the most here actually are going to be the people buying off-lease Thinkpads. Those of us who know a quality used laptop is better than a cheapo new one (like a Pavilion or Ideapad), but also don’t want to spring for a brand new laptop (in which case Framework would be the best option - they’d be great used too, but they’re not that common on the used market)
This is me. I’m casually looking at a used Think Pad for Linux purposes and like you say, I know a well looked after second hand business class T model is better than a brand new shittop
yeah, my company recently switched away from dell to Framework laptops. a couple of my coworkers with the Framework laptops really like them. They like how sturdy they are. The magnesium alloy case doesn’t flex at all. Our dell laptops with plastic cases often get dented and bent so eastily, and cause various problems.
We also have a couple Lenovo laptops, and I haven’t heard of any issues. Generally, the plastic used for Lenovo’s cases are noticeably thicker and harder than dells’.
I definitely feel a sense of ease knowing that if anything goes wrong with our framework laptops, I will most likely be able to fix it.
My work’s Latitude barely flexes, apples to apples?
We’ve been buying the Vostro series and XPS series.
I know the Vostro series is low end, but I thought the XPS series would be higher quality, but they had cases that fllexed just as much as the lower end Vostro.
TBH, we have not been buying Latitudes because they did not have the specs we were looking for. If recall correctly, yeah, the Latitudes we did have stood up fairly well.
That’s awesome, but what issues did they have with dell? They’re pretty easy to disassemble and repair if you don’t buy the cheap consumer shit, get latitudes. But I’m all for straying away for framework.