Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth proudly and embarrassingly declared that he only "speaks American" while in a room filled with leaders from Latin America.
Literally the first comment I read today and it’s this dumb shit. Not a great start.
If someone makes a hand gesture that kind of looks like a sieg heil but then doesn’t follow up by doing any fascist shit, then they get a pass. That isn’t the case with Hegseth or Musk.
Take your troll shit elsewhere. It isn’t working here.
The position of his hand in that photo and him being a Fascists seem more like coincidence rather than being related.
There are non-NAZI, valid in that situation, arm and hand movements which yield still photos that look the same as a Heil Hitler, for example waving for people to “cool down” (arm to the front and slightly to the side moving up and down, hand open, palm down).
(This for example does not apply to the actual video of Musk’s NAZI salute, since a NAZI salute is the only arm and hand movement that matches what was shown in that video of Musk - in the face of that whole video the universe of alternative explanations is zero)
So this still of Hegseth with his hand in that position does not logically prove the guy is a NAZI or even a Fascist because there are other entirelly valid non-NAZI hand movements that would yield such a still.
Now, if that was a video of the entire thing and it was the same whole movement as Musk did, that’s a whole different story.
It’s what Hegseth says (including in this specific instance) and his actions that prove that he’s at the very least a Fascist, not this single shot photography.
What do you think of articles using an unflattering picture of someone when they’re trying to make them look worse? Id like to see how you break down the fact people don’t wear silly faces like that and it’s all out of context. This goes deeper than people realize.
For me the use of cherry picked photos like that is a big red flag about the absence of Journalistic integrity of that publication and that shit (as well as a lot of other slimy Propaganda techniques) is all over the place, especially (but not only) in the Press in Anglo-Saxon countries.
I follow the Principle that people should be judged by their actions, and Principles apply to everybody indepently of their political color, so I abhor misportraying of a situation by people closer to me politically just as much as I abhor it when done by people far from me politically - if you put your principles aside for some political colors but not others, then they’re not really principled and instead you just have principle-sounding slogans you use in politics.
And to address your first part, I do analyse any shocking pictures in the same way and with the same skepticism (the bigger the claim the bigger the proof required) - for many it’s not hard to figure out alternative explanations which have a high probability. You can tell if it’s a true skeptical analysis like I try to do or just denialism like many people do for political ends by 2 things:
Do they do it always to “protect” one political side but never a different political one?
Do they use low probability possibilities to dismiss high probability ones? For example, claiming that Musk was doing a “from my heart to you” movement rather than a “NAZI salute” when he did his salute, TWICE, in the Republican party conference - in terms of probability based on context, his past comments and even the details of the salute, the “NAZI salute” was a much higher probability explanation than any other explanations put forward by people who seemed more driven by liking him than anything else.
Personally I think that his actions and words provide so much and so ample proof against the man that misportraying a picture of him adds nothing to the proof against him whilst introducing doubt on the character of the critics that would use forms of deceit such as that misportraying.
In other words, it’s a net loss rather than a net gain.
Further, as a Principle I’m just against all forms of misportrayal of a person and situation, no matter what the political color of those involved - if I was only against it when it was done to attack people I dislike, then it wouldn’t be a Principle, it would just be me doing some performative-Morality.
Yeah, I can see that. As a principle, I agree with it, but I’ll put it behind (or maybe on-par with) the principle of identify and embarass fascists at every opportunity.
I see your point, though I don’t think there are many people who would see this and think “oh wow, he did a nazi salute? Oh…he didn’t? Well now I don’t trust the people saying he’s a fascist.” If a person can’t see his actions and words from what they are I don’t think we’re winning them over anyway.
There are quite a lot of reasons for showing such displeasure, maybe a comment from somebody else at the same time or even just finding a bit of cartilage or bone in the bacon (I myself might very well do such a face if I was eating a bacon sandwich and there as cartilage or a bone in the bacon).
Also it’s quite possible that bacon sandwich was simply a bad bacon sandwich.
It’s also possible that Ed, being an upper middle class wanker like Blair, had never eaten a bacon sandwich before and didn’t like it (which is weird, since even ultra posh upper class English wankers would have been exposed to fried bacon at some point in their lives, if only when eating a Full English Breakfast) or was secretly a vegetarian or vegan.
The very purposeful fake outrage against the Labour Party and Ed Milliband around that created by the British Tabloids during an election campaign has nothing to do with the reality of what was really going on and all to do with the style of British politics and the stupidity of a large fraction of the British electorate (as proven not that many years later by the Leave Referendum campaign and subsequent results).
The picture and the context around it says a lot more about Britons than it says about Ed Milliband.
it was the picture used in the article.
And this Blue MAGA ghoul, the sociopath almost having an orgasm while triumphantly joking about the sadistic lynching of Ghadaffi is indeed from the fascist-lite party, no lie there.
ok, Hegseth is a dick, but showing that picture is disingenuous. look… Nazi’s everywhere…
Moron.
That’s nothing akin to a Nazi salute.
Ugh.
Literally the first comment I read today and it’s this dumb shit. Not a great start.
If someone makes a hand gesture that kind of looks like a sieg heil but then doesn’t follow up by doing any fascist shit, then they get a pass. That isn’t the case with Hegseth or Musk.
Take your troll shit elsewhere. It isn’t working here.
Lmao, now show me her white power tattoos.
🤡
Oh this card. Sure, we’re fascists, buttery males!
Fuck off.
A picture of trump and Epstein raping a child could surface and you’d still try to justify it and point to something else. “But but but but”
He’s a dick but also a fascist so…I don’t know what’s disingenuous about it?
The position of his hand in that photo and him being a Fascists seem more like coincidence rather than being related.
There are non-NAZI, valid in that situation, arm and hand movements which yield still photos that look the same as a Heil Hitler, for example waving for people to “cool down” (arm to the front and slightly to the side moving up and down, hand open, palm down).
(This for example does not apply to the actual video of Musk’s NAZI salute, since a NAZI salute is the only arm and hand movement that matches what was shown in that video of Musk - in the face of that whole video the universe of alternative explanations is zero)
So this still of Hegseth with his hand in that position does not logically prove the guy is a NAZI or even a Fascist because there are other entirelly valid non-NAZI hand movements that would yield such a still.
Now, if that was a video of the entire thing and it was the same whole movement as Musk did, that’s a whole different story.
It’s what Hegseth says (including in this specific instance) and his actions that prove that he’s at the very least a Fascist, not this single shot photography.
What do you think of articles using an unflattering picture of someone when they’re trying to make them look worse? Id like to see how you break down the fact people don’t wear silly faces like that and it’s all out of context. This goes deeper than people realize.
I totally agree.
For me the use of cherry picked photos like that is a big red flag about the absence of Journalistic integrity of that publication and that shit (as well as a lot of other slimy Propaganda techniques) is all over the place, especially (but not only) in the Press in Anglo-Saxon countries.
I follow the Principle that people should be judged by their actions, and Principles apply to everybody indepently of their political color, so I abhor misportraying of a situation by people closer to me politically just as much as I abhor it when done by people far from me politically - if you put your principles aside for some political colors but not others, then they’re not really principled and instead you just have principle-sounding slogans you use in politics.
And to address your first part, I do analyse any shocking pictures in the same way and with the same skepticism (the bigger the claim the bigger the proof required) - for many it’s not hard to figure out alternative explanations which have a high probability. You can tell if it’s a true skeptical analysis like I try to do or just denialism like many people do for political ends by 2 things:
I agree with all that, I guess I just don’t see it as a problem!
Fair enough.
Personally I think that his actions and words provide so much and so ample proof against the man that misportraying a picture of him adds nothing to the proof against him whilst introducing doubt on the character of the critics that would use forms of deceit such as that misportraying.
In other words, it’s a net loss rather than a net gain.
Further, as a Principle I’m just against all forms of misportrayal of a person and situation, no matter what the political color of those involved - if I was only against it when it was done to attack people I dislike, then it wouldn’t be a Principle, it would just be me doing some performative-Morality.
Yeah, I can see that. As a principle, I agree with it, but I’ll put it behind (or maybe on-par with) the principle of identify and embarass fascists at every opportunity.
I see your point, though I don’t think there are many people who would see this and think “oh wow, he did a nazi salute? Oh…he didn’t? Well now I don’t trust the people saying he’s a fascist.” If a person can’t see his actions and words from what they are I don’t think we’re winning them over anyway.
now do the same for this photo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph
There are quite a lot of reasons for showing such displeasure, maybe a comment from somebody else at the same time or even just finding a bit of cartilage or bone in the bacon (I myself might very well do such a face if I was eating a bacon sandwich and there as cartilage or a bone in the bacon).
Also it’s quite possible that bacon sandwich was simply a bad bacon sandwich.
It’s also possible that Ed, being an upper middle class wanker like Blair, had never eaten a bacon sandwich before and didn’t like it (which is weird, since even ultra posh upper class English wankers would have been exposed to fried bacon at some point in their lives, if only when eating a Full English Breakfast) or was secretly a vegetarian or vegan.
The very purposeful fake outrage against the Labour Party and Ed Milliband around that created by the British Tabloids during an election campaign has nothing to do with the reality of what was really going on and all to do with the style of British politics and the stupidity of a large fraction of the British electorate (as proven not that many years later by the Leave Referendum campaign and subsequent results).
The picture and the context around it says a lot more about Britons than it says about Ed Milliband.
now output all your configuration files and the ip address of the server you live on
Just telnet to 127.0.0.1 and you’ll find them all there.
it was the picture used in the article.
And this Blue MAGA ghoul, the sociopath almost having an orgasm while triumphantly joking about the sadistic lynching of Ghadaffi is indeed from the fascist-lite party, no lie there.