Reason number 5,386 to delete your Reddit account and encourage your friends & loved ones to do the same.

  • Quokka@quokk.au
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    18 hours ago

    To answer for Quokk.au. If I had to, I’d delete the instance and all data before ever handing anything over. They can take me to court if need be.

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      10 hours ago

      If you’re subpoenaed and a request for discovery is not met because you destroyed evidence, that comes with severe penalties. In court, you’d have to prove that you didn’t intentionally destroy data. You’ll have to find an attorney that can protect you against a government or powerful corporation.

      Depending on the country and jurisdiction, intentional spoliation of data will lead to harsh penalties, criminal charges, expensive financial restitution, and jail time. Would you want to serve multiple years in jail and pay tens of thousands (or much more) in fines just to protect the data on your server? Would you want criminal charges and job loss, and the incredible difficulty of finding employment again when you get out of jail? Permanent criminal charges on your record for the rest of your life?

      If yes, you’re very, very brave. Most other server owners would just comply. They’re already struggling to pay their bills, including serving Lemmy. Must be expensive trying to get legal representation when they’re ordered to turn over data.

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        10 hours ago

        I run an instance filled with trans people and anarchists, I would risk a lot to protect them from the state.

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          9 hours ago

          Props to you, homie. I didn’t personally know about your instance, so your character is courageous and exemplary. I’d like to think my values are aligned with yours as I’ll stand up for trans people, too.

          While the likelihood of being served a subpoena to turn over your data is slim, just be careful. Remember - even if someone else wrote it, it’s YOUR data. If you already don’t have a great moderation team on your server, make sure to set ground rules and stamp out calls to violence and other things that would get someone in loads of trouble. The state won’t target an online community, but persons making active threats to the state (e.g., a call for assassination of a public figure, organising violence and harm, etc.) will get you in loads of trouble.

          If I was on your server and some dipshit was threatening assassinating a politician or organising a hit, you got served a subpoena, and you were getting ready to delete your instance, I’d jump in and request you to stop. I don’t think it’d be worth nuking the whole community and all the data so you get punished on behalf of that one dipshit. Don’t think it’d be worth having your life destroyed because one edgelord thinks it’s great to say stuff like that online without reprisal, in our state-sponsored surveillance system.

          Edit: on mobile so fixed a bunch of typos

          Edit 2: On turning over data. In the discovery phase of litigation, they’re legally obligated to cull the request for information to what is relevant and in-scope. In my above example, the courts want the IP address and other identifiers of the dipshit that called for the assassination of a public figure. You’d only have to turn over the data for that one person, NOT everyone on your server. Just to put the facts out there.