• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    Thing with patriotism is that everyone understands something different. Some may think that not questioning your leaders and doing what they tell you is what it means to be patriotic. Others may think that fighting injustice and corruption in your own country, so that every citizen may live in a free and just society, is what being patriotic is about. Some may even go so far as to say that fighting for your country to be fair and honest not only to your own citizens, but also other countries is patriotic. Snowden is part the latter group. You seem to be part of the first.

    And of course leaking that amount of material is not a spur-of-the-moment decision. He clearly planned carefully for a long time. How is this even a point you are trying to make? He did exactly what conscientious whistleblower should do.

    And calling Snowden simple-minded truly betrays your ignorance. It is you, in fact, who is simple-minded, as you jump to conclusions based on conjecture devoid of facts.

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      You seem to be part of the first.

      Absolutely not. I’m for fighting government abuse. I’m against helping antagonistic foreign dictatorships like China. You and Snowden seem to be for the latter. It is not that hard to do the former without doing the latter.

      And calling Snowden simple-minded truly betrays your ignorance.

      His plan to live in Hong Kong didn’t work for what to me seems obvious reasons. He completely misinterpreted the PRISM slides. He failed a very simple analyst test. He’s unironically a libertarian. He didn’t understand whistleblower laws at all and didn’t even bother to consult a lawyer. For all of these simple thinking errors, he now finds himself living under Putin’s thumb. All the available evidence points to one conclusion.

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        Like I said, different definitions of what it means to be patriotic. But don’t call Snowden simple-minded, that is just plain stupid.

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          Sorry, I updated my comment while you were responding. Please go ahead and update your response, and I’ll then cross out this comment.