you’re at the whims of devs that DO NOT take user feedback at all. so it’s a very opinionated DE. If you’re not using GNOME the way the devs intend you to use it, then you shouldn’t be using it according to them. so it kinda goes against the grain of Linux as a whole which is all about a custom user experience. GNOME says no to that idea.
None of this would be bad if the devs also didn’t think that they should be the default Linux desktop. It’s one thing having a constrictive desktop environment that forces you into its way of doing things. I can see that actually being useful in a corporate setting. But to borderline-force that on everyone by way of defaultism, especially those who don’t know better, is where it crosses a line.
I wouldn’t blame GNOME for being the default environment. They’re the default because GNOME is stable, and their apps have a coherent design language. It’s a very approachable platform. Their app names are boring, but they’re self-explanatory.
Calendar
Calculator
Files
Image Viewer
Web
KDE on the other hand is still decently unstable. Last time I had KDE crash on me when doing nothing but opening the panel edit view was literally last week. The application UX is a bit all over the place, and a lot of them feel like they were “made by developers.” The naming scheme is the olden cutesy KDE/Linux naming scheme, which is charming but feels pretty alien when you’re new to it.
That has literally always been the default KDE experience for me. I find KDE to be a constantly buggy unstable mess. I’m glad it seems to work for everyone else, but it clearly doesn’t like me and the feeling is mutual now.
Which version did you test last? 4 was horribly bad, 5 got a little better, but i feel like with 6 they got it under control now. At least on openSuse.
I’ve tried 5 and 6. It’s got a bit better but I still have big gripes with it. My fiance uses KDE on their desktop and I’ve had to help troubleshoot why the sound didn’t work half the time… turns out it was defaulting a submenu of a submenu in the sound settings to one that doesn’t output sound. There were 5 options for the one device and only one of them worked (no I don’t remember specifically which menu or which one worked off the top of my head, it’s been a few months since I changed that default)… I’ve yet to have this problem on any other desktop environment.
Between shit like that and panel editing crashing the desktop I’ve wrote off KDE, I’ve never had a stable experience with it and I’m tired of trying to fix what should work out of the box. GNOME, for all its faults, works out of the box without much hassle.
Yeah. It’s done it across installs. I installed KDE on my desktop last week because GNOME had some fucked idea of clipboard handling causing a software I use to crash if I try to copy/paste in it.
My desktop runs Tumbleweed, my personal laptop runs Arch, and my work laptop runs NixOS. Desktop ran an NVidia card up until end of April since I got fucking sick of NVidia and their shitty drivers, it’s now an AMD card.
The laptops both run Intel.
Modern KDE is stabler than things were back in KDE4, for sure, but it’s hardly stable or snappy.
you’re at the whims of devs that DO NOT take user feedback at all. so it’s a very opinionated DE. If you’re not using GNOME the way the devs intend you to use it, then you shouldn’t be using it according to them. so it kinda goes against the grain of Linux as a whole which is all about a custom user experience. GNOME says no to that idea.
None of this would be bad if the devs also didn’t think that they should be the default Linux desktop. It’s one thing having a constrictive desktop environment that forces you into its way of doing things. I can see that actually being useful in a corporate setting. But to borderline-force that on everyone by way of defaultism, especially those who don’t know better, is where it crosses a line.
I wouldn’t blame GNOME for being the default environment. They’re the default because GNOME is stable, and their apps have a coherent design language. It’s a very approachable platform. Their app names are boring, but they’re self-explanatory.
KDE on the other hand is still decently unstable. Last time I had KDE crash on me when doing nothing but opening the panel edit view was literally last week. The application UX is a bit all over the place, and a lot of them feel like they were “made by developers.” The naming scheme is the olden cutesy KDE/Linux naming scheme, which is charming but feels pretty alien when you’re new to it.
It crashed when you were editing a panel? I literally don’t remember the last time KDE crashed on me, and I’m even on an NVIDIA GPU.
That has literally always been the default KDE experience for me. I find KDE to be a constantly buggy unstable mess. I’m glad it seems to work for everyone else, but it clearly doesn’t like me and the feeling is mutual now.
Which version did you test last? 4 was horribly bad, 5 got a little better, but i feel like with 6 they got it under control now. At least on openSuse.
I’ve tried 5 and 6. It’s got a bit better but I still have big gripes with it. My fiance uses KDE on their desktop and I’ve had to help troubleshoot why the sound didn’t work half the time… turns out it was defaulting a submenu of a submenu in the sound settings to one that doesn’t output sound. There were 5 options for the one device and only one of them worked (no I don’t remember specifically which menu or which one worked off the top of my head, it’s been a few months since I changed that default)… I’ve yet to have this problem on any other desktop environment.
Between shit like that and panel editing crashing the desktop I’ve wrote off KDE, I’ve never had a stable experience with it and I’m tired of trying to fix what should work out of the box. GNOME, for all its faults, works out of the box without much hassle.
Yeah. It’s done it across installs. I installed KDE on my desktop last week because GNOME had some fucked idea of clipboard handling causing a software I use to crash if I try to copy/paste in it.
My desktop runs Tumbleweed, my personal laptop runs Arch, and my work laptop runs NixOS. Desktop ran an NVidia card up until end of April since I got fucking sick of NVidia and their shitty drivers, it’s now an AMD card.
The laptops both run Intel.
Modern KDE is stabler than things were back in KDE4, for sure, but it’s hardly stable or snappy.
People actually use DE browsers these days? /gen
Konqueror was useful while it was still KHTML.
If the OS comes with that only, then sure I can see how someone might use it. This is hardly a common occurrence though.