• Zarobi@aussie.zone
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    5 hours ago

    Yeah maybe. But I’m not really talking about nomadic ancestral living though. Plenty of villages in the country today are functionally communist, I’ve lived in one.

    What I mean is it seems hard to have a system that has all the stuff we have today, without capitalism appearing at some point. Electricity, computers, trains, huge populations, cities, etc.

    I’m trying to say that it’s easy to implement, it seems obvious, and it benifits those in power. But it’s inefficient and horrible long term and leads to problems. I think all the current laws and policy protecting capitalism were put in place to prop up a dying system. So rather than it being deliberate, I believe it’s just a series of reactionary patch jobs that “fix” problems as they come up rather than anyone actually sitting down and designing a good system.

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      2 hours ago

      I would not liken the Iroquois Confederacy to nomadic ancestral living.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee

      Imagine a system that has dramatically destroyed our environment while creating enormous wealth gaps and waste. Where some people live with dirt floors and some people have multimillion dollar yachts. Is this the system you are somewhat enamored with.

      Did you know close to a billion people have died from pollution in the last fifty years? Would you say all these dead people share your sentiment.

      Capilitism is not currency and commerce as those exist without capitalism. I don’t think you can attribute anything you have said to the system of capitalism. Capilitism instead exploits these things for the minority. Imagine an Internet walled off by corporations, trains shut down because of the automobile lobby, electricity used up by data centers, etc.

      The capitalists have definitely been designing the systems to their advantage. I think you are entirely correct about late stage capitalism. It is inefficient at distributing money and is leading to some enormous costs that would realistically take hundreds of trillions of dollars to remedy. The entire Earth is the equivalent of a Superfund sight with every single human being on earth poisoned by forever chemicals and plastics.

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        1 hour ago

        Sorry I don’t really know anything about North American indigenous, I live in Australia and our mobs are very different. I think actually we’re in full agreement, apart from the detail of whether it’s “intelligent design” or not :)

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          59 minutes ago

          Fair enough. I get that you like your life and that it feels like it is hopelessly intertwined with capitalism. It is a modern day conundrum as I type on a device that a company that openly violates human rights made.

          I can be both truthful and hopeful despite the enormity of the situation because that is just who I am. I personally will help everyone below me step up and I want everyone above me to take a step down. A little bit idealistic, I know.

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            50 minutes ago

            No I mean I think there was a miscommunication or something, I genuinely agree with everything you said except that 1 part lol. I’m not very good at explaining things, sorry