Much ado about "nothing" - Xe Iaso
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https://discourse.nixos.org/t/much-ado-about-nothing/44236

Not directly related to this blog post but from NixOS discourse forum, a tl;dr from another person about the NixOS drama here :

If you’re looking for a TL;DR of the situation, here it is:

    Nix community had a governance crisis for years. While there has been progress on building explicit teams to govern the project, it continued to fundamentally rely on implicit authority and soft power

    Eelco Dolstra, as one of the biggest holders of this implicit authority and soft power, has continuously abused this authority to push his decisions, and to block decisions that he doesn’t like

    Crucially, he also used his implicit authority to block any progress on solving this governance crisis and establishing systems with explicit authority

    This has led uncountably many people to burn out over the issue, and culminated in writing an open letter to have Eelco resign from all formal positions in the project and take a 6 month break from any involvement in the community

    Eelco wrote a response that largely dismisses the issues brought up, and advertises his company’s community as a substitute for Nix community
  • gian @lemmy.grys.itEnglish
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    7 months ago

    You say remove discrimination and then use a discriminatory strawman.

    Why ? Because I basically say “keep these personal informations for yourself since they are not needed while developing” ?

    No one is suggesting a code contribution must be accepted based on a minority status.

    But they are saying that a board member should be elected based on the fact that he came from a minority, which is as wrong as asking that a code contribution should be accepted based on the minority status.

    They are saying that to get a decent functioning community for everyone you need a diverse range of people in positions that set the behaviour of the community.

    Agree on this. My point though is that the people in these positions need to be there for the merit and not for a status.

    You can’t get the CoC and enforcement of it right unless those affected are in positions that influence it.

    Nope. You can enforce a CoC if the ones delegated to enforce it are acknowledged as authoritative people and there is a clear path to do it. If you put a person in charge to enforce the code “just becasue [insert your favorite minority reason]” you end in the same place: the CoC will be selectively enforced only on a certain group of people.

    Your enforced anonymity doesn’t work because there are other ways of gendering and racialising people (e.g. based on who people talk).

    Assuming you track them outside the project, yes you are right.

    Additionally, what you are saying is that minoritised people have to hide who they are so they don’t get discriminated against rather than just deal with those doing the discrimination.

    That is what you are saying now, not me.
    I said that I don’t care about what your identity is but only about the quality of your work, why did you assume that i mean that only the minorities should not disclose these informations ?

    Else explain to me why it is relevant that the pull request just created is done by someone from a minority group.

    You lose nothing by making sure people from all backgrounds have the same opportunity and enjoyment being part of it.

    Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome. I lose something if a board member of the project I contribute is elected only because he is from a minority group because he replace a more knowledgeable member and the average quality of the work decline.

    If you aren’t in a minority and don’t care about those that are then just say so!

    It is not that I don’t care, it is that in certain situation it not pertinent if you are from a minority or not. Software development, particularly OSS where the entry point is really low, is one of this situation: why I should care about the group you are part of when you submit a contribute ? How it is pertinent. Do you want to have a voice in the project ? Earn it by contributing and being better of the ones you think are bad and or toxic. But wanting to have a say in the project “just because” is toxic too.