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I provided a cogent reply explaining that getting more people to vote is more effective than simply voting alone.

All I was asking is why you’re telling people they have to vote for “x” when it’s clear they want options.

Tell them how to find/create them but, yes, like you I want their support in a general.

They could do other things:

• organize
• get out the vote
• run for office (even low/local helps)
• protest

Example: sometimes protest moves things further than voting. What I have above gives them a way to be involved and help move things in a positive direction.

If they cause 9 more people to vote, but miss the date themselves. Are we worse off?

Telling them that voting for someone they barely agree with is the most important thing… it’s not the packaging that I think most find compelling.

It was their fiduciary responsibility, wasn’t it?

The shareholders weren’t going to get a better offer.

You’ve done it here, you’re doing it in others threads.

Instead of telling them to vote for a candidate they barely believe in, why not recommend they find candidates they like, locally, state, etc and help them. But then in general elections, vote for someone who can win.

It’s an entire extra sentence that takes less time than calling them whiny.

You’re boiling the options down to a suck ass, “eat your dinner” message and if you want to prevent rightward movement, I think calls to action are better.

We move things to the correct position by having candidates that make a compelling case for why this (waves around) isn’t working. Then voting for what we got when we must.

Edit: it is NOT the most effective thing to do. Getting additional people to vote is more effective than standing in line individually like a dumb ass and saying, “this is the best I can do.” You can do more than that.

I’m not saying to do something other than voting. I’m saying you keep framing this like that’s the only thing when they could do more.

Voting is not the only option. It’s a good one, but we have more/additonal.

There are other options. The Constitution affords us numerous rights, including protest, among others.

They said they’re mad that nothing changes for the better and you said, why not spend an hour a year doing something.

I think they’re open to more. I’d like to see more doing more. THAT’s how things change.

He needs to be primaried, tradition or not.

He’s done an assortment of good things. He’s also older and sympathetic to economic “centrism.”

I’d like to see a credible democratic challenger primary him and force him to maintain a more left leaning posture. If done correctly, he’d re-message and it would help him in the general.

We need to pull people out of their culture war mindset and get them voting for their own best interests. Fanciful notions of “the wrong gender” in a restroom aren’t going to matter as much as domestic economic health, global climate change, or a changing geo-economic outlook. We need people voting real-worl issues and someone who can message to that.

I’ll add: everyone deserves certain fundamental rights. So when I say culture war, I’m referring to DeSantis types. I have no quarrel with treating LGBTQ+ with respect and decency.

It’s set for after Super Tuesday. He’ll ask for a further delay. She’ll absolutely consider if he’s got viable numbers.

I bet it’s half of why that date was chosen. And why Trump isn’t making too much noise about it. Stay quiet and people don’t notice what just happened.