Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]

From the screenshot, looks like he said it on Aug 20, 2014, at 3:25 pm

Ok? I think you’re having a fight with someone who isn’t me! I’m really just trying to say that your reading of the article about vibe coding is extremely uncharitable. The author didn’t seem, to me, like someone who is against making stuff easier for people, but instead someone with worries about whether LLM’s might actually be dangerous.

You can disagree about their danger (you clearly do), but I’m unqualified to speak to their danger (I’m not a coder), and so that aspect of the matter isn’t something I’m eager to discuss, and isn’t something I’ve tried to discuss. All I’ve said is that I think your dismissal of the author of the article as someone who won’t be satisfied until everyone is coding in assembly is wildly off-base.

Hey, I don’t fucking know, I’m not a coder. Maybe people were blindly copy-pasting StackOverflow code into their projects and just hoping it worked well enough. It seems to me LLM’s make it easier to write working but dangerous code (this article also seems to say this), and I’m not sure making dangerous code easier to produce is a good idea.

But whatever, again, I’m not a coder, I just wanted to push back a little on your extremely uncharitable reading of an article you don’t like.

Really? I got “if you don’t understand the code you’re producing, then that’s a real problem, not just for you but for software development as a whole”.

It’s pretty annoying to read the mailing list, I agree. There’s a very small hyperlink that says “next” that’s right below the message body. If you click that, you can read the next message in the chain. Keep doing that until you get to the end, and yeah, it looks like this was resolved and wasn’t actually malicious.

Oh, you’re right, I should have said “should not be allowed to” or “in a better world would not be allowed to”. Because yeah, covering up serious health issues impacting politicians happens fucking constantly, so clearly it’s allowed

No, I don’t believe that the sitting president of the US, who is currently running to keep that office, is allowed to keep secret a major health issue that absolutely affects his ability to be president.

Joe Biden isn’t just, like, some guy. He was, up until January, one of the most important public figures in the world. No, his health concerns should not be private, not if they affect his ability to do his duty.

Don’t pretend to have empathy for me, shithead

This is such a shitty “joke”. Fucking hell. I hope you experience even half of the suffering a dairy cow experiences during their life. You won’t, because the world isn’t fair, but if I could imprison you and exploit your reproductive system until you’re too old and worn out to be worthwhile and then kill you, I would do so.

You are a disgusting human. I’m actually appalled reading the shit you’re writing. It’s not often that I read such concentrated evil. You don’t think death and servitude cause suffering? You think domesticated animals choose to stay in factory farms? You’re a fucking ghoul.

You’ll find that it’s not possible for the US to completely pull out of supporting them with military aid.

Why not? The US has supported Israel since its formation, no arguments there, but so what? Why couldn’t that change?

Am I reading the article right? My understanding of what I just read is that in 2016 some social media accounts with ties to Russia put out some pro-Stein statements and then a year or two later Stein was photographed sitting at the same table as Putin.

Neither of those two facts suggest to me that she is, as you put it, “another Russian tool”. Especially since the article itself says that there’s no evidence she knew about the Russian social media accounts boosting her and there wasn’t an interpreter sitting at the table with her and Putin.

Can you please tell me what I’ve missed? Is there more evidence that she’s a “Russian tool”? Because the evidence in the article you linked seems extremely weak.

Oh my, I literally read the comment you’re replying to backwards! I thought they said that carnists hate vegans. I’m glad you’re here to read properly and give a great response!

Yeah, good point! In a world without intellectual property rights, of course there would still be large projects, they’d just be, well, actually good and not shitty focus-grouped sequels.

Oh my, I literally read the comment you’re replying to backwards! I thought they said that carnists hate vegans. I’m glad you’re here to read properly and give a great response!

I agree we probably wouldn’t get any more Assassin’s Creed or Deadpool and Wolverine. Very likely those kinds of media would die out in a world where no one pays for media. I have a hard time saying that’s a bad thing. We’d instead have more weird little indie projects, which are so, so much better in every way. But sure, if you feel morally queasy about “stealing” (it’s not stealing, it’s copying) from giant corporations who make artistically bankrupt crap, I’m not going to convince you otherwise, and it would be a waste of my time to try and do so.

Maybe I should point out here that sometimes I do go out of my way to pay for media (especially games) when I don’t have to. I bought Dwarf Fortress on Steam, even though the devs give it away for free and I donated to them a couple times before they released it on Steam. They are living off the money people pay for Dwarf Fortress and I’m so glad they’re able to do so. I also bought my sister a copy of Pathologic 2 she has never (and probably will never) play because I bought my copy on sale and loved it and felt bad that I hadn’t paid full price to a dev team that put their heart and soul into the game and had it sell abysmally for some reason. (Side note, play Pathologic 2, it’s good!) I bought the Celeste soundtrack from Lena Raine’s bandcamp because I love it so much, even though it’s extremely easy to find and I’ve actually lost access to my bandcamp account.

I guess I’m saying there’s nuance here and I like it when actual artists who make good art are paid. It’s just that in our current society, buying a DVD or paying for Netflix or paying for Xbox gamepass or anything like that doesn’t benefit the artists, the vast majority of any money you spend to acquire media goes straight to wealthy executives and I just don’t see anything wrong with not giving them more money than they’re already getting.

That’s a common misconception. But it’s not true. Artists will keep making art whether they’re paid or not. Anti-piracy rhetoric tends to come from large corporations (AAA game studios, movie studios, publishing houses, record labels) who demand ever-increasing profits, not from the artists themselves. The people who actually do the work to make games, movies, songs, books, whatever are basically never well-paid, instead their corporate overlords make all the profit and pay the people who actually make the art you enjoy as little as they can possibly get away with, just as with every other job under capitalism.

Pirating media does absolutely no harm unless you’re pirating from a small indie creator. But if you just want to play the latest Ubisoft slop or watch the latest Marvel movie, go ahead and pirate. The money you’d spend on them go straight into the pockets of wealthy executives, not to the artists who do the work.

Why do you think piracy is immoral?

I hate to tell you this, but that’s not mustard, that’s cheese. (I’m actually mostly grossed out by it because . I actually really like a (vegan) shitty cheese sauce.)