Wasn’t meant to be funny. I’m not laughing at the cost cutting measures people take. That is not a judgement on the meat people decide to eat, only awareness over disingenuous marketing

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Paper tigers.

Lot of words just to say that once the advertisers move in on a centralized platform its value is shot. A huge part of the reason I abandoned the last platform I was using and sought a federated alternative.

Yeah my claim is that Valve used the data from their monthly survey and anything that was not willingly provided from users was bought from Google to R&D the Steam Deck. If that isn’t a probable or plausible scenario to you then you simply don’t understand why marketing data is useful.

I never said anything about selling out to Google.

Not every drop of orange juice is worth the squeeze.

You’re right. But it’s not a question of buying consoles, it’s a matter of creating a free account. The majority of people have been conditioned to do so all their lives they won’t question another. If you really want to make a difference choose better battles, how about going after the system that allowed this problem to exist in the first place instead of getting caught up trying to put out the symptoms.

I’m not a defeatist, I’m just wondering if this battle is worth making a stand at when in order to change the gaming industry you first have to change the nature of industry itself. At what point do you stop trying to save the Titanic and start drawing plans for the Titanic II?

there’s the monthly hardware and software survey

It’s optional.

whatever users didn’t willingly provide was probably bought from Google.

Ah, yes, probably.

I mean I wish I could find a source

No surprise there.

We’re all voicing opinions. I chose mine and don’t begrudge yours.

More like false accusations.

Your words in bold to highlight how hard it is for you to believe that Valve bought data from Google to create the Steam Deck.

I understand what you’re saying but there will never not be mtx in games. Even if these guys are getting raked over the coals the only lesson being taken away is to nickle and dime you slower.

More like false accusations.

This is gold. Imma remember this one fondly.

I’m not accusing Valve of anything, other than presenting the likely scenario of how using monthly hardware and software survey in conjunction with data bought from Google went towards the development of the Steam Deck. If you cannot accept that as a plausibility that’s your problem not mine. The proof you keep getting your gaiters in a twist over could only come from corporate espionage or Valve themselves releasing to the public.

Picking my statement apart did you no favors in trying to prove your point. Honestly don’t know what your point is other than you’re mad I’m not on my knees gargling daddy Gabe’s balls as hard.

Well there’s the monthly hardware and software survey and whatever users didn’t willingly provide was probably bought from Google. I mean I wish I could find a source but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how companies who want to sell you things would go about selling you things. I could if you ask nicely, give you a basic summary of how marketing data is used by entities seeking profit to R&D products and services.

We’re all voicing opinions. I chose mine and don’t begrudge yours.

What shit? As far as I can tell they are being completely transparent about their designs to acquire your data.

How exactly do you suppose a device like the Steam Deck even came to be? By harvesting user data, now Sony wants a seat at the table and suddenly they’re the fucking bogey man? Give me a break.

It’s likely that you and your friends are not indicative of the average user. I’m certainly not, the games I play are not reflective of what is popular in market.

It’s not pull of console franchises that would win people over but ease of access that will. It’s the whole reason consoles exist in the first place.

If we couldn’t stop micro transactions at horse armor we’re not stopping this. The lure of Sony exclusives is going to outweigh privacy concerns every day of the week.

You also have to understand that releasing on Steam is only short term action, the plan is going be to bring PSN to PC and to release Sony hardware to go with it. Steam has had it too good for too long and Microsoft’s aggressive moves over the past couple of years has forced Sony’s hand.

It’s going to trickle down further, next it’s going to be employees at outsource facilities falsified records. I know someone who worked in the QA department for a company involved with the design and manufacture of certain parts of the fuel system and they are all currently shitting themselves.

Not saying this won’t be incredibly lucrative once the tax dollars start rolling in but punishment can only make so much money. Give someone a thousand years exciting experience in 8 hours and people will gladly sell their remaining 16 for it.

The investment costs more than you’d get back.

It’s a public service, what you get for your investment is the health of the public not lining for your pockets. If the only incentive in stopping fraud is profit then we’re fucked since it’s more profitable to perpetuate the fraud than to end it.

It isn’t the recipients of the free lunch that make bank, it’s the ones that are given a contract, subsidy or grant to provide them that do. All you have to do is be willing to provide a substandard service and any costs that are saved can be folded back into private hands.

Please, be less naive.

Experts on defrauding public services offer insight that public services are easily defrauded but are mum on any solutions that would make it harder to defraud public services. The math maths.

What a future to live in. Don’t suppose people could get a living wage? Right on, just make pervy AI powered robots instead that’ll fix the problems.

Not a bug, a feature.