BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]

I understand why you see things that way because you’re a liberal and not a Marxist. Reform makes sense if you come at these problems from the perspective of liberalism. The problem is that the it really isn’t an issue of systems feeding into each other - it is the system- liberal democracy and who controls and why it exists in the first place that’s the issue.

You bring up good questions about why liberal democracy looks different in Europe than the US. There are a lot of reasons for that, but what matters is that liberal democracy performs exactly the same function in Europe as it does in the US. It doesn’t matter if theres one party or twelve, ranked choice or first past the post. I’m not argueing that one or the other isn’t better, i just don’t think it matters whether the system of bourgeois rule is slightly better or not.

Okay, i can see the logic there. I also agree that its not about individual leaders having personal faults so much as the current political paradigm. I also agree that there would be a voter base for a progressive party. There’s cerainly popular support for every proposed progressive policy in the US. Just M4A we know was widely popular across the country. Theres also been demonstrated that there’s a grassroots donor base for a progressive party as we saw in Bernie’s campaigns.

The real question that i think you should try to answer is given that there’s broad support for these policies, and there’s both a voter and donor base - Why does it not exist?

Liberals look at this question and blame the people. They blames voters. They blame the voting system and the two party stranglehold. Then they advocate for ranked choice and third parties.

Marxists consider the material basis of the system first and surmise that it doesn’t exist because it wouldn’t serve the interest ruling class. That liberal democracy is not democracy for the majority of people- the working class - but a democracy for the ruling class and both parties exist to serve their interests. This is why we can’t get M4A - the most broadly supported policy proposal in the country. It doesn’t matter that most people want it because it does not serve the interests of the ruling class.

the other party should be Progressives

I’m curious who you consider to be a progressive in US politics.

And i do mean curious genuinely. I’m a communist so I don’t have a very high opinion of what counts as “progressive” in the US. I do think there wouod be a voter base for what could be called a Progressive Party in the US but i don’t see any leadership. Most espousing “progressive” positions would turn their backs on them the minute they could actually come true, or whenever they have to put their money where thier mouth is. Kamala Harris and the entire progressives caucus cime to mind.

I’d like to hear your opinion on possible leadership though. And i won’t attack it as we both know I’ll disagree before hand lol - I’m just genuinely curious how a non-communist views it

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That’s why we don’t have down votes on hexbear. If you disagree you’ve got to post.

Everyone arguing with you is anti-zionist. We want Isreal as it exists to end. If you care about the injustice and genocide of that fascist settler-colonial state, then I don’t get why you want to die on the hill of an antisemitic position

You’re really pretending you can’t see the trope you’ve tripled down on? Its ZOG. Its the one way to criticize Isreal that actually is antisemitic

It’s the anti-Zionist Liberal interpretation, excusing the Empire for the deeds its Vassal commits.

Nailed it. They need to excuse the US and they get to do it in a racist way. Liberal win-win

Smol bean US being controlled by their own vassal that couldn’t exist without their support. This is really deep analysis. You are a very deep thinker.

Exactly. Im a stickler on this point because I’ve had to go through conversations with left leaning jewish friends who still have some lingering brainworms. It matters to understand what is actual antisemitism. The zionist will not act in good faith - so it’s even more important for us to understand the difference

You think your antisemtic trope is analysis?

Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic?

No. What I’m saying is that specifically believing the US is controlled by Isreal - that the US is subordinate to Isreal - that is an antisemitic belief (on top of being ridiculous). That’s not an isreali talking point. Believing that is not helping combat zionism - it helps it.

I’m anti-zionist. That’s why its very important to me to point out this antisemitic belief because its detrimental to the cause of anti-zionism.

I love Stalin’s writings style. That’s a great breakdown. Dialectic and Historical Materislism is the best explanation of those concepts.

That’s a lot of words to double down on an antisemitic trope

The US could theoretically not allow themselves to be controlled. But that’s not the reality.

I agree. He made great contributions to theory. Foundations of Leninism is great - and he’s a really good writer on top of it. Unsurprising as he was a voracious reader of Marxist theory.

Idk how any of that is antisemitic though

Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.

It plays into the trope of Jews control everything. It handwaves every blatantly obvious reality about the relationship between the US and Isreal and says “Yup that colonial apendage is the real master of the US, because Jews.”

Are you denying the existence of AIPAC?

The US government is controlled by Israel,

Yes that is antisemitic nonsense, but it also doesn’t make any sense leaving that aside. You’re saying the global imperialist hegemon is controlled by an appendage of its own policy. You’re giving a pass to the US for it’s policy and part in genocide by saying its “controled” by Isreal.

It is of course the other way around. Isreal destabilizes the Middle East toward the equilibrium the US favors. The US uses Isreal, its not controled by it

Unlike the US where they only imprison more people than anywhere else on earth

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