We’re all whores though. They wave cash in front of our faces and we beg them for it.

I got into teaching to help kids grow and learn and you think Im a whore for money? Im done with your ridiculous and completed unfounded opinions. You need help.

I’m telling you that your morals aren’t absolute and shouldn’t be forced on others. Follow them yourself. If others want to, they can choose to. Forcing them on people isn’t about morality; it’s about authority.

We agree on morals by majority. Everyone agrees that murder is wrong so we make laws stating that and we punish those who dont follow. Do you call that ‘forcing morals on others’? No, because almost everyone agrees murder is wrong. But what about physical assault? Still bad. We make laws against that. What if its just slapping someone? Likely still harmful, so there are laws against that. What if its just spitting on their shoes? Might be assault might not be. What if its just calling them a name? Highly depends on what was said and in what context but obviously not everyone who calls someone a name is charged. What if its just giving them the finger? Not likely a charge. What if its just a sneer? Highly unlikely its chargeable offence.

My point is that we ALL decide at some point when harm is done and we make laws to support that and then we FORCE others to comply with it even if its not THEIR personal standard about whats considered harmful. Yes thats authority, thats how society works.

We’re all being used every day. There’s no difference when it’s sex.

Dude, I worked in an office job for more than 10 years. I didnt feel used. I didnt feel like my self esteem was compromised. I didnt feel like I had to give up my dignity for pay. Never once did anyone ask me to take off my clothes and insert X object into one of my holes so they could watch me and jerk off.

You have a very warped idea of what a regular job is like compared to sex work, but ok go ahead and convince yourself that they’re exactly the same. Dear god.

Its nice that you believe that you vote to protect OTHER people’s rights, but when you are up against an issue that affects you directly, you definitely dont. If you were gay and the government wanted to bring in a bill to ban gay marriage you wouldn’t vote to protect the rights of the people who have a religious objection to gay marriage, you would vote against it.

ALL morals are relative. With the argument you are giving you are LITERALLY telling me that YOUR morals are superior to mine. Guess what? They’re just different and no better than mine.

We have a democratic system. Everyone votes the way they choose, majority wins. Welcome to the real world.

I wouldn’t describe as “selling your body” but it is using your body for a service. It’s not being damaged or losing value though.

Thats where I completely disagree. There is a big emotional and psychological toll to be used by another person for money. Yeah, in 20 years your knees might be in better shape than a factory worker, but your emotions, your self esteem, your mental health will not be. The knees can be fixed with surgery. How do you fix crippled mental health? There are people who spend their lives in therapy because mommy yelled at them a lot when they were young. You think someone who has been used over and over by other people for their own pleasure is going to be in better shape than that emotionally damaged person? Absolutely not. NO ONE comes out of sex work undamaged - its literally the price of participation.

you shouldn’t do things like voting with the intent to push your view on others.

Dear lord, have you heard of this thing called democracy? Thats EXACTLY why we vote.

Selling your health, youth, time, etc. is fine in your opinion, but selling sex isn’t for some reason?

You honestly think that selling your time to make money is the same as selling your BODY to make money? Please tell me your not serious about that. There are barter systems where people exchange their labor for goods without any money involved, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find a system where people sell their body for goods on regular basis.

So exactly how does one provide for one’s need for food clothing and shelter if they DONT want to sell their time? Live in the woods and forage for berries?

Where do you get ‘hypocritical’ and ‘arbitrary’ out of what I said? And where am I ‘forcing’ anyone to do anything? Im stating my views based on years of experience working with street workers and long experience on this earth.

Perfect quote and absolutely relevant.

I was wondering the same thing when Trump said Bondi should release all “relevant” information from the Epstein file. Who determines whats “relevant”? Better not be Pedo Donnie.

Dude I never said anything like that. Sexuality is wonderful and a fantastic part of a relationship. Nothing wrong with it as the Song of Solomon and my marriage would attest. But we’re not talking about ‘sexuality’ we’re talking about people USING other people for their own lustful desire. Which is NOT wonderful. There is nothing good or right about a financial transaction so you can use someone else to get your rocks off - its not love, its not compassionate, its not empathetic, its just plain lustful selfishness. And therein lies the harm. You cant do that to another person and not harm them.

and isn’t harmful

And there’s the problem.

Real “acting” doesnt involve exposing yourself to someone for money and then doing the most intimate thing two people can do so that ONE person can gratify themself and the other can be used. Ive talked to a sex worker who was 18 and she grew up being abused by her father and her uncle. Her comment was, “people are going to fuck me anyway, I may as well get paid for it” Does that sound like someone who is happy to be in sex work? Or just an victim of abuse who has given up on trying to protect herself.

Really. So the only reason that sex workers hide what they do is ONLY because they will be stigmatized by others? But they are inherently happy with selling their bodies to lusty men for money cause that makes them feel fulfilled and legitimate and empowered?

Huh. Thats kinda preposterous.

NO ONE is happy with being a sex worker because they have to do mental gymnastics to pretend that its not degrading and soul crushing work. And NO ONE stays in sex work long term because it’ll kill your self esteem after awhile. Even OnlyFans, who say they feel safer online, get disgusted with trying to please gross men online because it never ends and always degrades to worse acts til they’ve had enough of being treated like a piece of meat. Selling your soul for a dollar. Its not legitimate work in any way, you can only pretend that it is for so long and then reality sets in.

Are you really arguing that putting in a hard days work in a factory is the SAME as having sex with strangers for money? REALLY?

Ive never had my boss come into my office and ask me to get naked so he can sodomize me, no. Is that a common occurrence at most office jobs?

Talk to cops and lawmakers. They dont want sex work legitimized because its connected to a ton of other crime that is also not legitimate. You cant say this part is legal and ok without creeping into those other areas too. Its all a negative effect on society just like legalizing drugs has an overall negative effect. Just because its difficult to stamp it out doesnt mean we need to legitimize it.

Has it ever occured to you that those abuses happen because of people’s attempts to delegitimize it?

No, I dont believe that anyone is trying to DE-legitimize it, because its never been legitimate. Yes, prostitution has been around for a long time, but its never been an honorable way to make money, its always been looked down on because people know inherently that selling your body for money isn’t good for anyone. Its soul crushing and degrading and no matter how many ‘happy’ OnlyFans out there, no one WANTS to continue doing it into their later adult years. There are lots of mental gymnastics people do to try and accept all the bad choices theyve made but that doesnt make them good choices, it just helps them survive.

She was a nude model AND she ran in the same circles as Epstein and Maxwell AND she ended up with Pedo Donnie and you dont think she did sex work? That woman sold her soul to get with Donnie and given all the testimony from other women about how degrading Donnie treated them, she worked HARD to get to be his side piece and then wife. I feel sorry for her.

Are sewer workers USED (and often abused) by other people for their own pleasure when they do their work? Completely different scenario.

The only people who think sex work is fine are those who dont do it and havent talked in depth to someone who has. I spent five years on the street making friends with girls and boys who did it to survive. There is NOTHING good about it. NOTHING. Its degrading, its soul crushing. Its VERY often accompanied by physical or psychological abuse which is why sex workers kept ‘bad date’ lists to warn other workers of the really creepy guys. Its a horrible way to make money but they did it because they didnt have any other way to survive. Next time you have rose colored glasses on about sex work, give me a call and Ill put you in touch with a 12 yr old girl who was pimped out by her 16 yr old sister and you can have a long discussion about the joys of sex work. Or with a 16 yr old boy who ran away from home and ended up getting sodomized by a man in a park because he needed 40 bucks to get a meal. Its really glamorous stuff, everyone loves it.

And WHY does society stigmatize sex workers? Because its degrading to women, its manipulative, and its generally used by men who USE people for their own gratification which is completely disrespectful. NO women (or man) ever grew up as a child thinking “I sure hope I can be a sex worker some day” because its a job of last resort.