I’m pretty sure all those ancient societies didn’t have universal human rights and civil liberties. The concept of rights doesn’t really begin until the 1600s afaik and universal rights until the 1800s at the earliest. There are non liberal societies right now, they’re all dictatorships with no freedoms, hence my statement
Yeah I agree
Do you mean dictatorship? Most ppl use it in the way I mean, as the vast majority are not Marxists.
Well there are non Marxist socialist/communist models and systems but I take your point. I was just answering you because you responded to why I’m not a communist, that’s all
Well an interesting question would be, could the government just seize his restaurant in the name of the good of society? If not, then it’s private property as we understand it, no? Whether it makes money or not
Because I’m not a Marxist? Um ok lol
I mean ppl own businesses, land and houses. Is that not private property?
I can’t think of any societies that emphasize individual rights that aren’t liberal
Yeah the Federation has private property and individual rights, so we wouldn’t that be liberal?
Interesting, he was an actual communist. Had no idea
Will do
I’m not a Marxist so don’t agree
Why not?
I thought it meant no laws and no government
Communist states had/have large militaries so I guess that’s not a problem
I would say the Federation is basically a liberal utopia so it’s not against being liberal
But the Federation is a government, so can’t be anarchist
Oh, never heard that before
Yeah I’m not a communist primarily because I’m against dictatorship and human rights abuse but socialism sounds more interesting
Was Roddenberry a Marxist?
That’s a really good point, actually