Don’t be coy, tell us what you think we should be using it for.

I think more broadly, it happens whenever there is the mentality of “more X, no matter what”. Usually that’s profit, but I don’t think it’s mandatory.

The best way to encourage adoption is to be miserable as fuck about every topic and event.

After reading your exciting new definition of the placebo effect and being asked to “name some advantages” that have been in every comment I’ve made, I think I know everything I need to about the quality of your opinions.

Also, never said unranked… I meant simply hide the rankings

Sounds trash to me. Fortunately it would be trivial for me to add them back in because again, all you’re doing is making the information inconvenient.

It also means that people don’t mindlessly upvote posts simply because there were a lot of upvotes

Is that how your mind works? I’ve never once done this and I’m extremely skeptical that anyone does. Sounds to me like you don’t like the content and have decided that nobody really does, they’re just upvoting it because it was upvoted.

Showing Upvotes/downvotes doesn’t show whether they are bots are not. It just means they’ll upvote/downvote more random shit and mess around wit the rest of the posts, so more crap rises to the top because they’re interfering with the rankings.

A log of votes is the data you need to discover bots. It doesn’t magically reveal them, nor did I claim it would.

Voting on random shit might make a slightly more plausible voting log for a bot but that’s going to be far more obvious than you think, won’t actually interfere with the rankings if it’s truly random and once again, not having rankings shown doesn’t address this problem either.

Votes and rankings are always knowable, even if you hide them from the UI. If there is a pressure to make bots plausible through random voting, that pressure exists regardless of it being shown on the default UI. All you’re doing is misleading users about what information they’re exposing.

There are easier ways to identify bots

Describe them.

And, it just aids abusive people

You’ve already claimed to be a victim of them and your solution does nothing to address it. You’re just adding another value to the list of poorly obscured information, because it’s what you personally want.

Thanks.

Problem is, it actually encourages a hive mind. I’ve already had 2 people try to bully me.

Then tell those people to get fucked.

I’d go one step further. Upvotes down votes and totals should be hidden entirely.

Unless you have an actual implementation of how that would work, telling us “what you’d do” is just a fantasy. You can’t “hide” things from federation – they’re either included, removed or made inconvenient to access.

Does “posting without external influence” even have any value besides sounding cool? The entire concept of Lemmy and Reddit is that external influence floats and sinks content. If you want unranked, anonymous content, you want 4chan (which is of course riddled with extremists and good content is almost entirely drowned out with worthless shitposts).

Personally, I’d rather that “external influence” was as fair and open and accountable as possible, rather than “I wonder if 500 of those votes are just Russian bots”.

It’s not technically possible with any model. Votes on Reddit are only kept private from other users – staff could look them up or reveal them to someone any time they wanted and you’d never know.

Even if you allowed voting without an account (which would be so easily manipulated that it would be worthless), you’d still be identifiable from your IP.

Yes, and there’s no genuine argument otherwise.

If you want Lemmy to grow and not be completely overrun with bots posting propaganda and signal boosting extremism, showing votes is the only way forward. It’s the only mechanism by which independent parties can discover and expose things like “every post and comment by this account is upvoted by these 20 other accounts that have never posted and whose names follow the same formula”.

The privacy you’re mourning never existed in the first place and it can’t exist on any platform. For Lemmy, it’s required for federation. On sites like Reddit, you have privacy from other users, but not from the company or anyone they sell that data to.

Since true privacy isn’t an option, it would be far better to be open about that lack of privacy. This thread is already riddled with people who thought their votes were private, rather than just inconvient to look up. That’s far more dangerous and deceptive.

This needs to happen, regardless of the ill-informed tantrums it may cause. If you want to upvote pornography without it being used against you, create accounts that are strictly for pornography and properly compartmentalize your accounts.

1000kg, depending on fitout. Going to block you now because you’re clearly never going to shut the fuck up, no matter how links people give you or how many times you’re embarrassingly wrong.

I’m not American but don’t worry, we’re all used to your opinions being ignorant of basic facts.

I’m not spoonfeeding you any more information.

Yep, lower capacity than cars half its size but a higher towing capacity that you’re not actually using.

Yep, I was wrong and you did post a photo.

See how much easier that is than convoluted shit like “research about a cars blind spot is only valid in America, even when the car is exactly the same”?

Oh look, the goalposts have moved again and apparently outside the US, people in giant trucks have xray vision that let’s them see through solid metal.

I’m not engaging any further. You’re a fucking idiot, driving around in a fucking idiot’s car, and you’ve already done more than I ever could to prove it.

I can’t believe I missed this photo of your “over capacity” truck carrying less than the rated capacity of the cars you insisted were too small and a photo of what looks like loose pine needles.

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I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue

Well fuck me dead, that’s a shocking plot twist. The guy who responds to every comment with “spoonfeed me this widely available information” hasn’t heard of something.

Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?

It’s basic geometry, which was apparently too much to ask of you. Maybe we should have started at “object permanence” and established that things continue existing, even when your vision of them is blocked.

Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?

Most people probably just assumed you were aware of this extremely common knowledge and that if you weren’t, you were capable of being a big brave boy and typing “pickup truck blind spot” into a search engine by yourself.

But nope, you’d rather accidentally admit that you don’t know basic safety information about your own car.

They’re not pulled from your ass because they’re wrong, they’re pulled from your ass because you only decided they were important after your “it’s not possible” didn’t hold up.

And why would towing and capacity not be part of the conversation…? They are literally the two most important factors when deciding on trucks.

Towing and capacity only matter if you actually use them and the majority of truck owners clearly don’t. You can’t justify the environmental and social cost of giant trucks by claiming “It can tow 10,000kg” and then never tow anything. An ebike is capable of towing “nothing”.

So don’t be coy. Show us a picture of your truck towing 10,000kg. Show us your neighbors truck towing 10,000kg. It’s why you needed them and why you couldn’t possibly drive a smaller car.

Why does everyone deflect from the actual reasons people buy trucks and perpetuate this stupid “bed size is what matters? People who use trucks know this how car people talk about trucks…… because that’s literally not a concern for people who use trucks… you’re literally showing your bias and lack of education lmfao

If you’re going to try and insult someone’s education, try not to precede it with a paragraph of barely coherent word salad. “People who use trucks know this how car people talk about trucks”?

Provide us with a photo of your truck at capacity.