Indeed, the strains that want something slightly more realistic (like worker co-ops) are a lot easier to speak to. As you say they tend to lack a practical means of implementing their desired society, or if they have ideas, they seem to just ‘reinvent’ MLism with different terminology (cue the Engels quote).

I’m not even sure we have the same intended long-term goal as them tbh. At least, a lot I’ve come across really seem to think ‘stateless’ means no government, no large scale infrastructure, the old ‘someone will make insulin as a hobby’ meme.