The “reasonable person” is an active participant in the genocide. Harris has been lockstep with Biden in his public statements and misleading “ceasefire” rhetoric and has clearly signaled material support for Israeli occupation in no uncertain terms. Harris has not “responded to public opinion”, the genocide is very unpopular, as is military support for Israel. She hasn’t even done any real pandering, which would be easy and cost her very little. There are a handful of very willing Palestinian PR liberals that will gladly get up on a stage and say, “this is tragic but [both sides rhetoric]”. You won’t even get that.

It’s important to understand that politicians do not care about polling like you might want them to. They only care insofar as it serves their strategy, and their strategy is premised on supporting Israel both to feed their own military industrial complex and to prop up the petrodollar and ensure the US dollar is the world reserve currency. They need Israel to destabilize any independent groups in the region that could jeopardize this by, say, daring to have their own foreign policy or nationalizing their resources or shutting down the Strait of Hormuz in response to unilateral sanctions. Israel is a forward base, an attack dog, for US empire. This is why your politicians will not doing anything for you. This is why you don’t even get pandering. This is why they don’t follow “the polls” or “public opinion” on this: it does not align with their prior, and greater, commitments to empire, as filtered down through their donors, the government MIC and intelligence bureaucracy, and the party insiders. This is an important lesson to learn, because they will also come at us with positions that they claim are just “following what people want”, which is almost always something right wing that serves their own interests. They are not consistent about this, it is just cynical PR strategy to launder an agenda.

Re: being a reasonable person, Harris is a former prosecutor and AG that made a name for herself for unnecessary cruelty in keeping people locked up past when they should have been released and for using technicalities to avoid releasing those with exonerating evidence. As a politician, she is an empty suit, adopting policy planks from other politicians and never fighting for them. “It was a debate!” What you can tell from her, however, is that she is self-interested, opportunistic, and never really breaks the party agenda with any coherent vision of her own. That means going all-in on xenophobic Dem rhetoric, playing coy about trans rights (but she’s happy to get photo ops during pride!), and genocide. Expect her, if elected, to not give a shit about you or anyone else and to do exactly what the larger imperialist political bureaucracy wants her to do, all with a smile and an incoherent mealy-mouthed ramble. Expect the trade wars to increase and for yet more US-backed wars and starvation campaigns to ramp up (Yemen has been facing this since Obama).

Harris is in no way less self-interested than Trump, she is just “acceptable” to liberals on a purely aesthetic basis. Her self-interest aligns with the typical liberal idea of what is “okay”, which includes members of Congress being mysteriously extremely rich, getting to participate in insider trading, doing a genocide, being “tough on crime”, lying regularly, having no consistent principals or honestly-stated political program, having no real track record of delivering or pushing for anything at all except what is already fully in line with the party, punching left, and being politely racist.

Nationalism and hard Nation-State borders are a consequence of capitalism, a social development involving tons of idiots. So yes and no.

The entirety of US “democracy” has been oligarchical. Voting was originally restricted to white landowning men and naturally the only people who could “serve” as representatives were the richest people from that group. Everyone has always had to struggle to get anything at all and even then it would be incomplete or weak - like getting the right to vote for your oppressor. The largest liberatory changes required violence and direct action, with the most dramatic being the ability of slavery and the battles of the labor movement. And at no point has the root of oppression (and the oligarchy) been overturned: capitalism.

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Dems are embracing Trump’s wall and harsh immigration stances, tolerating transphobic candidates, and doing this genocide fairly openly.

I think electing more Dems would be the accelerationist position

So you’ve stopped paying taxes then? Since “such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it”

The MIC is funded through financial magic and imperialism. If tax fraud would oppose them, I would probably do it, but it really does not.

It’s those tax dollars that build bombs for Israel. If you’re paying them, you’re paying for genocide.

The “tax dollars” for the bombs are invented out of thin air. However, the people that make the bombs and deliver the bombs and drop the bombs are doing all of those things and we should organize to stymy those efforts.

Biden-Harris is the “Mega Hitler”. It is doing a genocide right now. The party moved right under them.

It shifts right under both because the population does not build leverage against either but both Hitlers eschew anything vaguely left.

If Kamala wins, THEN you apply pressure.

How? This is not the kind of thing anyone that cares about pressure or leverage says. Electorally you have the most leverage, as an individual, before the election, not after it.

Do you ever question what you are told to do by the party?

You don’t help the guy who praises Hitler,

Kamala Harris is supporting a genocide.

and promises to punish his enemies “from within” the day he takes office.

You mean with cops and feds? Maybe violence against and suppression of protesters? Maybe labelling Palestinian solidarity organizations as terrorists? Maybe signing an EO to allow “the military to use " lethal force” on citizens in the US.

Your “good cop” is already doing that. You just approve.

This also isn’t the only issue by a landslide

What’s the issue? Can you describe it?

considering Trump wants to dismantle NATO

That would be an unmitigated good for humanity. Sometimes Dem voters make great arguments for Trump. Good thing we have principles.

defund the support sent to Ukraine

The people of Ukraine suffer due to a decade-long US pressure campaign to use them to harass and bait Russia. After Russia invaded, the people of Ukraine are now used as inputs to a meat grinder because the US’ goal remains to hurt Russia, not help Ukraine. The US escalated in the first place and then scuttled peace talks.

The best thing for the people of Ukraine would be to end the war diplomatically ASAP.

I think Hillary also wouldn’t have set the stage for fascist take over with judge appointments

Why not? Dem appointees do fashy things in a regular basis.

Everyone knows you should never havecaaked RBG to say anything about indigenous Americans.

endangered abortion rights

Dems endangered abortion rights under Obama by not crystallizing them in federal law or doing any fighting whatsoever for the Supreme Court. The overall Dem strategy actually benefits from this precarity. They want to use it to campaign on forever. Hillary was this kind of person.

Remember, under Obama, abortion rights had already been de facto removed in many red states. The Dobbs decision just added clarity to what was already the status quo, giving it ancillary legal weapons.

moved as far backwards on climate

Dems are just as bad on this. They push fracking and greenwashing and Biden has caused a crisis in solar panel availability with a sinophobic trade war. Both Obama and Biden prioritized oil and other fossil fuel production, making the US a better exporter. They just use different weapons to send money to the ruling class. One greenwaages it and the other doesn’t bother. Hillary was lockstep in this.

They are in many ways more effective because they keep you complacent and accepting of scapegoats.

and would have handled the pandemic better.

Biden demonstrably handled it worse. He normalized the ongoing pandemic (yes it is still happening), deconstructed the monitoring apparatus, and ended benefits. What would Clinton have done better?

The “ceasefire” efforts are a bad faith smokescreen. If you follow the claimed contents of the “ceasefire” they are pushing, it is actually conditions of surrender. The purpose of their “ceasefire” propaganda was to coopt the “ceasefire now” rhetoric of those opposed to genocide. Just to inflate my ego a little, I fought very hard locally to avoid ceasefire rhetoric because I knew it was weak and easy to coopt. I, along with my orgs, successfully promoted that we demand an arms embargo instead, and that is the more durable demand being made by these groups (I probably only had a minor impact on this outside where I live).

Anyways, one clue for how the “ceasefire” line is bullshit is that Israel has assassinated the people they were allegedly negotiating with, to Biden-Harris applause.

Most of the horrors assigned to fascists, as understood in the liberal canon, had precedents among liberal governments, often on much larger scales. Most genocides around the planet, and most people killed in genocide, were carried out by liberals in liberal democracy. They are the genocides of colonialism, including settler- colonialism, inckuding the genocide of indigenous Americans still in living memory. Nationalism is a liberal campaign, it emerges from capitalism and its primary ideology, and liberals celebrate it constantly. Scapegoating and creating marginalized groups has always been something liberals engaged in, though there has also always been a split between those they consider gauche and unacceptable (and they are the “good guys” for opposing) and those that they find acceptable (they are still the “good guys” for this), like their current siniphobia, russophobia, and islamophobia.

Point is, genocide is making a return in liberal discourse to being something they accept. They already did before and were very racist about it. They just took a break, at least in their PR, after they had their sole actual “good guy” war in WWII and needed to rhetorically distance themselves from Nazis and work around the popularity of the left in Europe after the defeat of the Nazis.

This is a tough one, not gonna lie. First, if it was anyone other than Trump and the guarantee of a fascist dictatorship under his rule (and it would be “rule”) running, I would not vote for Harris.

Then I am happy to inform you that Trump would never be a fascist dictator. There is no crisis of capitalism in this country that requires such a thing, the capitalist class that actually dictates the terms likes the system working exactly how it does now. They are in the heart of empire that provides them with super-profits through financial schemes and militarism.

Trump is rude and hamfisted and reactionary, but he cannot take a seat as a proper fascist because fascism is about restoring capitalist interests under major threat, namely an insurgent left, itself responding to a crisis of capitalism like loss of imperialist status and transformation into a further and further imperialized country.

Unfortunately, the US basically has no left. This is pretty obvious from how well normalization of genocide is going.

But given your statement, so long as you understand, correctly, that Trump will not be a dictator, then you will not vote for Harris, and I assume that you won’t advocate for her, either.

So that really just leaves one question: can you find any fault in my logic on Trump becoming a dictator?

Since you just did the thing they described but without addressing it, let me repeat them.

Why do you support a system that repeatedly makes you choose between mega hitler and giga hitler? Surely you recognize that such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it.

Dems can do a genocide without your opposition, so that us one difference.

And without outrage from Dem voters

First of all, it should not require 1D chess logic for you to have a red line at genocide. That should be enough for you to take pause and be absolutely certain that you know what you are talking about. If you’re dabbling in this, it should mean you just spent at least the last year reading extensively on genocide, history, Palestine, and political power and strategy. And yet you just use the usual , self-defeating, lesser evil talking point. That is how little concern you have for Palestinians facing genocide.

But let’s say you weren’t just pretending to care about strategy. Let’s say you are you ten years from now feeling, correctly, like you did something very wrong and this has led you to be curious about how to build power, so you begin to critically engage with the propaganda you have been sold your entire life. Pretty shameful that you didn’t so it when brown people faced genocide, but here we are.

Your logic is that you must always support your party candidate, who is allegedly some measurable amount better, even while doing a genocide, than the other with any chance of winning the election. You’re just minimizing harm, right?

Well no. What you are doing is taking what little leverage you have in your vote and saying, “I will never stand for anything, I will vote for you no matter what horrible things you do”. And your political class, the one in your faction, is glad for this. You have done what you were told, you have made yourself a suppirter that expects nothing, just a cog in their genocidal machine. Four years roll around and you are somehow surprised that your team has moved farther right, done the same kinds of things, or done them worse, or done more if the worst things. Maybe it turns on trans people, as it is doing in Texas by supporting a transphobic candidate. Or immigrants, which Dems already did. You wonder how we got here and then tell everyone “vote blue no matter who, the Republicans are worse!”

You’re doing the thing the meme is making fun of

Employers in the US often include “morality clauses” that mean they can fire you because they deem you to be harming the reputation of the company due to behavior outside of work.

More importantly than “the rules”, though, US employers can fire you for basically any reason they want and then just lie about it. Nobody is going to force them to be truthful. Not even if they are union busting. The Biden-Harris NLRB, which the president dragged his feet staffing and staffed with wet blankets, has even upheld the Trump NLRB Electrolux decision - and the vast majority of people never get to the point of launching a lawsuit that would be relevant, as it costs tens of thousands of dollars.

If you want power in the workplace you need to organize a union competently and develop capacity real leverage (direct action, community support, naming and shaming).

No, you can blame the non-voters. The ones who thought it was great idea to get pissy about one issue and stay home.

If there’s just one issue and you don’t even want to say what it is, aren’t you implying it’s a very important one? Maybe one you would feel bad downplaying if you named it?

But yes if she loses, I do hope you blame those who refused to vote over genocide. And internalize the lesson. And apply it to your future political endeavors.

Or “both sides” their way into an idiotic stance.

When both sides are for genocide you should probably work against them rather than figuring out which to reluctantly support.

And in 2026, you can also blame the non-voters. The ones who elected Kamala president, but are too stupid to understand that voting is an annual process, and Kamala isn’t a fucking queen that can enact anything she wants without the support of a democratically-elected Congress.

Damn those non-voters, don’t they know they owe the genociders and their associates their votes!? Those are their votes, just sitting on empty ballots, being useless! How dare they expect literally anything at all! Don’t they know that political power is all about pledging absolute allegiance to a party regardless of what they do!? What IDIOTS!

Vote twice a year, every year. Every. Fucking. Time. Why is that so hard to understand?

Don’t worry, I do! I don’t think you’d like my selections, though.