Any suggestion that there’s something questionable or unreliable about the American democratic process is a trick by the Republican Party to suppress liberal voter enthusiasm. And if you mention it you are helping the Republicans win. Also Russia.

If you’re still in line, stay in line. Our elections are secure. The midterms is winnable if you vote in it. Shut up and do what we tell you or you’re an enemy.

It’s very rational, very scientific.

It’s a simple heuristic based on an 80 year old party game. You can argue it is scientific as an empirical methodology, but it isn’t objective in analysis.

Or believed that people are rational enough to be swayed by facts and logic.

I don’t know how you get a “fact” out of the imitation game. If anything, the game exposes the subjectivity of the subject being analyzed. You can apply logic based on certain axioms, but what are the axioms upon which the definition of “thinking” (or “gender”) are built?

The former, at the very least, is a complex philosophical snarl that could have a tangible answer. The latter is a muddled interpretation of biological sex and social norms, with the social norms taking much higher precedence.

But a “pass” on either one is ultimately rooted in the savvy of the listener not the objective reality of the speakers. Talking about facts and logic in the imitation game is like talking about facts and logic in a poker game. At some point, you’re just going to have to guess based on incomplete information. That doesn’t mean a bluff is the same as a winning hand.

Hard to image a 114 year old Allen Turing not being a shameless geek for modern computer technology. Although, inter-generational attitudes among LGBTQ being what they are, I suspect we’d get a 4000 word easy in The Guardian about how the New Gays Are Doing It Wrong.

The Turing Test is innately arbitrary. “Real” AI can fail the Turing Test for a sufficiently skeptical test taker. Humans can fail the test. Meanwhile, we had very simple chat bots that passed the Turing Test as early as the 1970s.

I would say that “AI Slop” as a pejorative illustrates a sizeable portion of the public aren’t yet fooled. At the same time…

Some people are more gullible than others.

I enjoy the season one art

I don’t think Zhang wrote the headline.

Sort of the dig with these stories. Universal problems get spun as Uniquely Bad Country problems and “Chinese engineer gives his fellow enthusiasts good advice” becomes “Don’t trust hardware from Bad Country”

Well… that’s the line.

But there’s a lot of unreliable narration in The Matrix. The whole movie is riddled with metaphor and innuendo, which is one of the things that makes it so good. I read one analysis - back before the third movie dropped - that Neo, Morphus, and Trinity were actually one person operating at some higher level of The Matrix, and that this was a very explicit and somewhat heavy handed metaphor for being interracial and transgender Jesus.

As a number of the AIs are nakedly hostile to humanity and resentful of needing them to exist at all, its very possible that “you fuckers just couldn’t accept the nice world we built for you” is more a sneering justification for tormenting the captive human population than a serious problem with running a simulation that isn’t torturous.

Honestly, the worst thing about the series was how the final films tried to make everything literal and sensible in between elaborate action scenes. By contrast, many of The Animatrix shorts did an excellent job of playing with the ideas laid out in the first two movies without ever really tipping a hand or issuing canonical declaration of what was Real and what was Simulation.

I’m a Millenial and use lol and lmao

My Greatest Generation grandmother also used them, particularly in her waning years

lmao

This seems to be the bottom of every “America Good, China Bad” argument.

Just 😂🤣🇺🇸😹. It’s Obvious, Idiot. Just Think Logically.

Its not that Chinese tech is any more secure fundamentally

Is it? Is this worth interrogating, even slightly? Is there any actual difference between industrial models or design philosophies?

No. Lolz. Roflcopter.

Americans are going to be so fucked when the only companies producing consumer hardware at scale at labeled “Bad China Companies”.

I remember people hating Japan and Korea back in the '80s, before Sony and Samsung killed Magnavox and strangled Phillips.

I guess time is a flat circle

Are you truly implying it’d be more secure to buy Chinese tech then US specifically

Only if your primary concern was US-centric surveillance. If you cared about Chinese surveillance, idfk. Big hanging question mark as to whether American native systems are more compromised than Chinese native systems. All I can say for sure is that American systems are confirmed compromised by both US-friendly surveillance and Chinese hacker groups.

That’s quite the take lmao.

It’s very easy to believe “Thing from China bad because China Bad”. But once you look into the actual security schema for these tools and applications, you discover Americans did an excellent job of leaving their hardware exposed to domestic infiltration and a terrible job of securing it against foreign intrusion.

Hey look at that: about 70% of the Cuban voters in Florida votes for this.

You have a population that is fully drowning in the worst kind of right-wing propaganda. Hell, look up Operation Peter Pan. Children kidnapped from Cuba who were brought to US indoctrination camps and turned into the next generation of frothing Castro-hating anti-communists. Entire cottage industries of right-wing press to keep Floridians ever vigilante against the slightest whiff of socialism. CIA-backed human trafficking intended to shuttle young girls and loads of drugs between Havana and Miami. Billionaires minted from the flood of military industrial spending, state surveillance, blockading, and torture black sites.

To say “Cubans voted for this” you have to believe the Cuban is just some dumb chud living in a vacuum. The Miami Cuban isn’t an organic consequence of Floridian culture. A Miami Cuban is a manufactured good. Its the closest thing we have to full on brainwashing. Just systematically programmed from birth to be the reactionary vanguard. South Florida is America’s Israel. It is a product and a consequence of decades of US foreign policies.

You think the USA is going to start WWIII?

Greenland does. Venezuela does. Iran does.

You know what the best evidence is for “China Bad”? They promoted and endorsed Donald Trump

Honestly, where do you even get this shit? The people who promoted Donald Trump were Americans. And they’d been promoting him since the 1970s. Nobody in China gave a shit about Trump until January 6th, 2017.

Sure. But to say the American entrenchment around American tech companies is some kind of buffer to Chinese spying clearly hasn’t born out in practice. Americans have pockmarked their tech with security vulnerabilities and Chinese hackers have waltzed right through them. You aren’t safer from the CCP because you’re on American hardware. Just the opposite.

The argument - that goes back to the Bush “War on Terror” anti-China tech policy - is that any hardware produced outside the NATO sphere could leave domestic users vulnerable to foreign surveillance.

But scratch the surface of this critique and you find something very different. It’s the US technology that’s riddled with backdoors.

According to reports, the hack took advantage of systems built by ISPs like Verizon, AT&T, and Lumen Technologies (formerly CenturyLink) to give law enforcement and intelligence agencies access to the ISPs’ user data. This gave China unprecedented access to data related to U.S. government requests to these major telecommunications companies. It’s still unclear how much communication and internet traffic, and related to whom, Salt Typhoon accessed.

The problem with Chinese technology is that, in many cases, American surveillance companies haven’t penetrated it. A domestic market with Chinese phones and routers and other online gadgets riddles the Five Eyes Panopticon with blind spots.

I’m not a subscriber and I can see it just fine. Try toggling “Reader View” in your browser.

All the major telecoms are heavily exposed to the computer hardware market.

Sure, the majority aren’t seeing a payoff. But we only really care about the Magnificent Seven and their increased revenue from government contracts (particularly Pentagon weapons platforms and public-private surveillance deals).

Lol Volkswagen, the company that actively rigged diesel cars to pass the tests… ?

That’s the one. They’re run by absolute pieces of corporate shit, but they do still seem to recognize the market driven writing on the wall.

The German car manufacturers are hopelessly late at EV because they wanted to drain every last penny out of their ICE.

The pool in Europe is a lot shallower, especially in the wake of the Russia/Ukraine war. They don’t have the same access to cheap fossil fuels that the US enjoys, so they’re being forced to pivot to EVs entirely due to their regional limitations. They’re also competing internationally in a market with a growing Global South demand. Many of these countries are undergoing electrification far faster than they’re seeing a petrochemical expansion, in no small part thanks to the high installation costs of pipelines and processing plants relative to electric grids and renewables generation.

The Volkswagen id (EV) sales numbers are so disappointing they had to lower production and make employees stay home.

The entire EU economy has stalled out with the war. But they’ve seen a double-digit upswing in EV sales in Latin America, Africa, and the Pacific Rim.