Framework for one, but just about any other computer maker is better by that metric.

Such idiot, very blocked, wow.

Keep apologizing for Tim Apple! 🍏🍎

The turd was just the icing on top of the shit cake dude. They gave that jack off millions of dollars.

I’ve had a solid chuckle seeing that shit, and my opinion of Apple hadn’t moved.

Welp, then I guess you’re the type of customer they fully deserve.

I prefer my to buy computers from companies that aren’t actively combating repairability efforts for their products and purposefully making them prematurely obsolete.

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Gotcha, well best of luck to you

You could go used framework as well if any of those exist. You’d have to buy from eBay or something in order to satisfy your position.

I’d recommend the 13 over the 16.

Yeah they probably fed it a bunch of legitimate on/off content as well as stuff from people who used to do make “nudes” from celebrity photos with sheer / skimpy outfits as a creepy hobby.

Yeah, the whole situation sucks. I totally agree and wish that framework would reconsider their position on the matter.

The country is basically unrecognizable at this point IMO. The capitulation that has occurred so quickly in the second Trump term was stunning to behold. For a vast array of industries (computers being one of them), every reasonably ethical option feels like it flew out the window.

I get it, but also if I stopped buying everything from every racist / racist supporter, I would have no real options for laptops generally speaking.

Michael Dell is a complete and total Trump supporter. Should I buy an XPS?

Tim Cook designed and delivered a custom award to Trump. Knowing this, should I buy an Apple?

I understand wanting to vote with your dollars but in practice there are few or no ethical options for many things that you can buy.

Eh, I get it, but you can’t win every battle.

I have a 16 and a 13. I bought them both before that thread.

Right but who has like three grand just sitting in a checking account, that shit in a savings account because I’m not Bill Gates and I need every penny I can get from the interest?

Dude use a credit card.

That sucks. I’ve also had mixed experiences with their support arm but the hardware and designs are pretty top notch. It really is nice to buy a laptop that isn’t inevitably headed for the landfill in five years.

Framework 13 all the way

Between this and what they’ve done to Windows they’re proving daily that you can shit exactly where you eat when you’re a tech monopoly.

Eh, I prefer people to know where they’re going before clicking without having to hover first.

And as I am not, Clark is not really calling Plato a crank. That’s not the point of using the quote.

Maybe you are not intending it, but your usage of the quote comes across as the same, thought-terminating cliche that is basically summarized in the partial citation of the bible of “there is nothing new under the sun”.

You’re not saying Plato was a crank, but I am. He definitely had some wisdom to impart about things (especially given his time and place in history), but his remarks about writing are ridiculous and crank-like (and made even more ridiculous based upon the fact that we only know what they are because someone wrote them down).

The paper waffles around a bit as to whether or not the result will be overall “good”, and tries to be as adept at fence sitting as Dwight Shrute from the Office (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6b3c335d-fd65-4db0-aa70-01c70f312b5a) but the position was made very apparent even from a short skim of the article as well as the way you’re continually referencing it here.

I’d argue that a critical eye toward a specific new technology does not require someone to proceed back through time immemorial and compare it to the naysayers of the invention of the wheel.

Since you seem to have an affinity for Greek philosophers:

“It is the mark of an educated mind not to believe everything you read on the Internet.” - Aristotle

You didn’t say his concerns were valid. You said you thought he was not “wholly wrong”. Regardless, Plato being a crank about writing proves only that cranks existed before writing. It does nothing to help you interrogate nor help set you down the path to interrogate the problems mentioned (which is why I categorized it as a thought terminating cliche).

Your referenced article is basically a long-form version of your post, which has a perceivable bias toward the viewpoint that every newly-introduced technology can or will inevitably result in “progress” for humanity as a whole regardless of the methods of implementation or the incentives in the technology itself.

Far from being an instance of skub (https://pbfcomics.com/comics/skub/) as trumpeting this perspective – perhaps unknowingly – implies that it is (i.e. an agnostic technology / inanimate object that “two sides” are getting emotionally charged about), LLMs (and their “agentic” offspring) are both deliberately and unwittingly programmed to be biased. There are real concerns about this particular set of technologies that posting a quote from an ancient tome does not dismiss.

I see these thought-terminating cliches everywhere, and nowhere do their posters pause a moment to consider the specifics of the actual technology involved. The people forewarning about this stuff were correct about, for instance, social media, but who cares because Plato wasn’t a fan of writing, we rode on horses before in cars, or the term Luddite exists…etc. etc.