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    1. I was showing that my understanding of the word “asset” was based in fact. The 4th definition wasn’t relevant to that.
    2. I literally talked about the 4th definition in the next paragraph.

    If anyone’s operating in bad faith, it’s you. Are you drunk? You’re being an intentionally obtuse pedant and a liar (by your own definition). Try replying once you’ve sobered up, clown. Once you reread and realize how much of a dick you were, I’m sure you’ll apologize - unless I’m right about you being too much of a coward to admit when you’re wrong about something.



  • Before I reply to your comment, I’d like to share this link. It didn’t change any of my existing understanding because Linus’s comment already made it clear that this was out of their hands, but maybe it’ll help clarify something for you.

    I realize now that this comment on that post was made before this one (“What’s free about delisting maintainers based on their country of residence?”) by the same person. It’s disingenuous for someone to act like this is about “country of residence” when they already engaged with a post clarifying that it’s because of sanctions against specific companies.

    that you unironically think asset means property

    I unironically think that because it does mean that:

    1. assets plural

    a. the property of a deceased person subject by law to the payment of his or her debts and legacies

    b. the entire property of a person, association, corporation, or estate applicable or subject to the payment of debts

    1. ADVANTAGERESOURCE

    a. an item of value owned

    b. assets plural the items on a balance sheet showing the book value of property owned

    When I do a search for “state asset,” the results I get are all related to property, resources, etc., things that belong to and can be exploited by the state - for example https://www.epa.gov/dwcapacity/state-asset-management-initiatives-documents

    Searching for “asset” specifically I see a tertiary definition reading “A spy working in his or her own country and controlled by the enemy” as well as the wikipedia definition, but that still means “spy,” not “paid lobbyist.”

    just that incredibly obtuse

    I’d apologize for not being well versed enough in counter-intelligence lingo to properly interpret the comment, but even with a proper interpretation, the comment I replied to was still incoherent, so I’m not really sure what you expect here.

    It feels weird to say that it was incredibly obtuse of me to not spend more time trying to figure out what someone meant when they were, as far as I can tell just mad that Linus and other Linux maintainers didn’t ignore what their attorneys advised, regardless of what impact that might have had on them personally, and spouting a bunch of nonsense as a result.

    Maybe I’m wrong, though. If so, would you care to explain how this was a violation of the GPL and/or how all of the 4 freedoms I listed were violated?




  • Literally none of those freedoms were impacted. Everyone is still free to use the program as they wish, fork it, make changes, etc… Linux doesn’t have a new license that says “anyone but Russians” can use it.

    he then followed up by gloating about Russian maintainers

    How did he gloat? He explained the change. If your complaint is that he was abrasive, I feel like you’re not familiar with Linus.

    Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.
    
    It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting
    reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to
    "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change
    anything.
    
    And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm
    accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US
    thing.
    
    If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read
    the news some day.  And by "news", I don't mean Russian
    state-sponsored spam.
    
    As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call
    brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian
    aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of
    history knowledge too.
    

    Sounds a lot more like he’s frustrated than delighted to me.

    Calling your former volunteer contributors bots

    He didn’t call the contributors bots.

    He called the people submitting reverts and complaining about those maintainers, who weren’t contributors themselves, “troll farm accounts.”

    and state assets because of their home country

    When did he call anyone a state asset? To be clear, being a troll or a paid actor doesn’t make you someone’s property.

    He also explained that this was a legal matter:

    > Again -- are you under any sort of NDA not to even refer to a list of
    > these countries?
    
    No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that
    I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers.
    
    I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random
    internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have
    been riled up by them.
    

  • First, you’re acting like the decision was made by Linus or another member of the team and that they weren’t following the law.

    Second, even if that weren’t the case, it’s still completely free. Unless you can name one of the following freedoms that was impacted by those actions:

    • Freedom 0: The freedom to use the program for any purpose.
    • Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish.
    • Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute and make copies so you can help your neighbor.
    • Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.


  • “But tante, then we will never have Open Source AI”. Exactly. That’s how reality works. If you can’t fulfil the criteria of a category you are not in that category. The fix is not to change the criteria. That’s playing pigeon chess.

    This is a bad take. If your criteria aren’t grounded in reality, they aren’t useful, so of course you should change the criteria.

    It’s also a missed opportunity to point to an AI model that did things right and that would qualify as “open source AI” even if that definition were not watered down. For example, OLMo (which I just learned about) says that they provide full insight into the training data as well as “full model weights, training code, training logs, training metrics in the form of Weights & Biases logs, and inference code.” Their most complex models are 7B models, which is enough to be relevant.

    Saying “Meta and Alphabet will never release Open Source AI that meets the proposed definition” is fine. Saying “we’ll never have Open Source AI, period, that meets the proposed definition” means your proposed definition needs rewritten.






  • the law has already made it clear you cannot copyright the output of an LLM.

    That’s true in this context and often true generally, but it’s not completely true. The Copyright Office has made it clear that the use of AI tools has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, to determine if a work is the result of human creativity. Refer to https://www.copyright.gov/ai/ai_policy_guidance.pdf for more details.

    For example, they state that the selection and arrangement of AI outputs may be sufficient for a work to be copyrightable. And that’s without doing any post-processing of the AI’s outputs.

    They don’t talk about situations like this, but I suspect that, if given a prompt like “Rewrite this paragraph from third person to first person,” where the paragraph in question is copyrighted, the output would maintain the same copyright as the input (particularly if performed faithfully and without hallucinations). Such a revision could be made with non-LLM technology, after all.