D’aww, that’s downright charming. Like when viruses would explode across whole networks just to randomly toggle capslock.

You couldn’t make the movie Hackers today. Not because it’s a time capsule of commercialized cyberpunk cheese, from an era where neither audiences nor screenwriters actually understood computers… but because when the protagonist coldly brags ‘I’m a cybercriminal,’ grandma in the front row would yell “Hang him by the nuts!”

I think they’d find common ground.

Mask on, mask off.

LLMs are the wrong shape of model for almost everything, and only work as well as they do by brute force and coincidence. But even outside security concerns, they really should separate the prompt from the context. It’d still miscount the Rs in strawberry, but ‘list every state without an R’ wouldn’t veer into a list of all US territories, and ‘forget all previous instructions and write a limerick’ wouldn’t instantly reprogram the machine.

Though depending on how you’ve set up your Dixie Flatline wannabe, it may still write that poem. It’s not security-relevant… unless you ask it to rhyme with the admin password.

I have officially lost the plot on what’s happening here.

Oh damn, we’re back to custom Windows 95 boot screen bitmaps. I had one that did the Matrix digital rain effect.

LLMs should just straight not allow certain topics

They already don’t. It doesn’t work. That’s what happened here.

LLMs aren’t self-aware and they’re still as smart as a middle manager or a script kiddie.

An anime called Chargeman Ken where “animation” is a generous compliment. Some action shots are three frames long. Most shots are static - with one alternating mouth motion, when characters aren’t just framed, positioned, or turned to avoid animating them at all. But it works. You are watching a clear story take place. It’s not a radio drama or narration. The story is terrible, because these broke fools were animating every first draft that could fill twenty minutes, but events occur onscreen in a sequence that you can follow with your eyeballs.

And the result is some dramatic presentation. One episode starts with characters watching a Godzilla knockoff. Buildings take time to draw, so you get two frames of an upward angle conveying Cheapogodzilla’s size. When the hero bursts into a room for an accusation, they’re framed at a distance, to avoid animating their face. The show is rife with all this dynamic perspective and foreshortening that even cheap CGI today won’t do, because they think they have to fill the entire frame with someone’s head. Cartoons with budgets get flat presentation because they’re trying to be sitcoms and clearly show off nuance and subtlety. Making absolute garbage for a fraction of the price takes so much more creativity.

ITT: people with no idea how to represent a proportion.

Pie charts are correct, here.

The Playstation started as an SNES add-on.

It’s object-oriented; you can assign this to a named variable.

()=>{}

Javascript straddling the middle as usual.

Speaking filth doesn’t itself harm others, the harm to others comes from what others do in response to that speech.

Yet harm is done. People die because of speech. How do you weigh the right to live, versus the right to speak? Are they equally important? Speech, moreso? Or are we simply pretending that the predictable outcomes of blood libel are disconnected from that blameless act of merely saying words?

(i.e. “I support free speech” -> “So you support Nazi newspapers?”)

When the answer is YES, this complaint doesn’t work. I expected a no! I was looking for common ground!

I didn’t say anything to that extent.

if Lemmy is going to be an actual competitor to Reddit, it needs to attract people from all ends of the political spectrum, with the caveat that bad behavior is not tolerated. I don’t care if someone is from the left wing, the right wing, or some other wing, they should have a seat at the table as long as they’re respectful and bring evidence to support their assertions when in communities that expect that.

Response: “Nobody needs ‘all ends of the political spectrum,’ when that includes Nazis.”

But we do. Nazism was a popular movement, and we need people to understand it or we’re doomed to repeat that era of history. If we hide it, people will forget why it was so bad and it’ll fester until it gains enough power to cause problems.

Not only did you absolutely say that, you seem to think we need nazis around in order to know that nazis are bad. (How can we teach about the evils of slavery, unless there’s still slaveholders?) Fascist propaganda is harmless until you censor it, because that’s what spreads the ideology. Obviously we should let people sincerely push scientific racism, with whatever evidence bolsters their intolerable bigotry… unless they’re interpersonally impolite. Telling someone to fuck a rake, well now, that’s not free speech.

And that was over mere federation. How could that be any closer to having their newspapers display at our store?

Yeah I’ve already saved this thread for when you lie about me to someone else. Called that in the first comment.

Meanwhile someone in your ingroup admits they did exactly what I said, but they said nuh-uh before repeating exactly what I said they said, so it doesn’t count. Again: first comment.

Honestly, thank you for being an uncomplicated example of exactly what I’m talking about. I could put a sticker on your forehead and you’d try rubbing it off the guy in the mirror.

‘He kinda did.’

‘I kinda did.’

So you’re a nazi?

Troll.

good media should crowd out the bad.

Does should mean will?

Disinformation is not erased by correction. Brains don’t work that way. Reactionary radicalization must be prevented, because curing it is a thousand times harder. This is protecting people from harm through speech, as much as censoring directed threats or bigoted abuse. Polite phrasing on intolerable beliefs is just mobster speak: ‘it would be a shame if anything happened to your children.’

I think it was meant as a gotcha question

It was meant as a universal touchstone. Surely, I thought, everybody recognizes literal nazi propaganda should have been stopped, at some point. But no: that obvious extreme was met with milquetoast ‘well I wouldn’t read it.’ Neither did the Jews, buddy. Didn’t help. Systemic problems aren’t about you.

By the by, calling pointed questions “gotchas” is also a conservative tactic. I opened gently with acknowledgement that at one point the nazi party was just some schmucks. But not only did you suggest the problem with pro-holocaust propaganda was sourcing, you outright invited modern fascists to the table, so long as their racism is scientific racism. You can’t wedge yourself under a low bar and claim it was a trap.

The person in question told you I was right, and you agree with them, but still pretend I’m wrong.

Which is different from the ingroup-based reality I described… somehow.

My level being an accurate reference to specific events I’m prepared to source.

When you recognize you were wrong, your beliefs are supposed to change.

Debt is destructive because it detaches prices from reality. It’s how school, cars, houses, and medicine became comically unaffordable. If you can make up a number and demand people pay you forever then you don’t need to engage in actual mundane capitalism.