Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand that a fascist is not the same thing as a communist. But they’re equally despicable.

Fascism is inherently anti-democratic, communism isn’t. I know communism is a shorthand for stalinism, maoism and other totalitarian ideologies that use socialist facade (similar to national socialism) but it’s worth to make an effort not to discredit the whole idea.

People half-joke that coming to Fediverse is easy, all you need to do is select a provider like you do with e-mail.

In case of Lemmy this omits the part where you have to block dozens of communities because they shill for genocidal regimes and you can’t block them and their users wholesale using instances. You also have to be on a lookout for trolls that coordinate on those instances and use alts from other instances. If you aren’t careful enough your experience might be akin to a conspiracy Facebook group but obviously it’s users fault.

Mastodon doesn’t have this issue despite using same Activity Pub framework.

Kbin doesn’t have it.

It’s Lemmy developers and instances that somehow ended up with staggering amount of tankie trolls, to the extent that exceeds even alt-right trolls on Reddit.

Telling people to start their own instances is acknowledging that the issue is so widespread that there are no instances with sane policies.

My criticism of that idea is also documented there.

But defederating Threads was fine lol.

We need to stop recommending Lemm.ee to newcomers, it’s hostile to normal folks.

It’s the dishonesty that makes me despise those guys the most. How could you dislike them when they’re so civil in their shilling for genocidal regimes, eh?

Modern day tankies are indistinguishable from fascists since they shill for fascist shitholes like Russia and China. I don’t care about intent, everyone can lie about it. You can’t lie about outcomes.

I’m for federating with any instance that doesn’t exist explicitly to break this community rules. I turned blind eye to not defederating Exploding Heads because Lemm.ee is a small server that doesn’t host any big communities they could interfere with. I thought it was an indication that it’s an instance that would allow me to curate my experience.

This is a European server, it’s fair to assume most of the users here are protected by GDPR. The talk of scraping data seems like a nonsense, Meta can do it without federating. And as Elon learned, closing your APIs means other entities will do web scraping which puts more stress on your infrastructure.

I don’t understand how most people here are for open standards, interoperability and the moment their protocol of choice gets traction they drop everything and opt to create their walled garden, except with 5 dozens of people. This is it, you’ve literally won. I guess some people will keep fighting big corporations for any reason on principle. That’s ok but not something most people are interested in.

There’s a lot of talk about how XMPP was killed by Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. I’m convinced 99% people posting that same blog post that sells opinions as facts, haven’t actually lived through it. XMPP was embraced, then Google and Facebook got bored, dropped it and moved on. They did not poison the protocol in any way.

If Meta tries to extend Activity Pub in a malicious way then that’s the point you defederate. If they get bored of Activity Pub and move on you have lost nothing, you probably gained more users than you would if you didn’t federate. I don’t believe it will come to this, EU Digital Markets Act means more platforms will have to open up, other commercial platforms will join in to capitalize on that and we’ll end up with consortiums coming up with reasonable changes to standards. If not they’ll get bonked by EU regulators with even more laws.

Finally, it’s a shame that we’ve done this vote via Lemmy post. It has hit “All” view for a lot of people who are not part of this instance and probably irreversibly poisoned this discussion.