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  • It has newer packages than Debian.

    This is not quite true. They have overlapping release cycles. A new Debian release will ship frozen versions of the latest packages, causing it to have newer packages than most ubuntu releases. Then the new ubuntu release comes out, with and it has newer packages. Ubuntu doesn’t universally newer packages than debian. The difference is that Debian ONLY does security updates, and doesn’t do feature updates or even bugfixes over it’s lifespan. Ubuntu, on the other hand, does ship feature updates and bug fixes, incrementing the package version as they go over the lifespan of an Ubuntu release.

    Comparing the bash versions of the latest ubuntu stable version versus the current debian stable, and you’ll notice that Debian has a newer bash:

    [moonpie@osiris moonpiedumplings.github.io]$ podman run -it --rm debian
    root@980ac170ddb4:/# bash --version
    GNU bash, version 5.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
    License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
    
    This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
    There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
    root@980ac170ddb4:/# exit
    exit
    [moonpie@osiris moonpiedumplings.github.io]$ podman run -it --rm ubuntu
    Resolved "ubuntu" as an alias (/etc/containers/registries.conf.d/00-shortnames.conf)
    Trying to pull docker.io/library/ubuntu:latest...
    Getting image source signatures
    Copying blob 817807f3c64e done   | 
    Copying config f794f40ddf done   | 
    Writing manifest to image destination
    root@1486a1c38699:/# bash --version
    GNU bash, version 5.2.21(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
    License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
    
    This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
    There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
    

    This is Ubuntu 24, the current stable release. 25/questing, the rolling version does have newer/same package versions of debian. But people don’t base distros off of the rolling version of ubuntu, only the stable releases.


  • Debian Linux, and many other Linux distros, have extensive measures to protect their supply chain. Packages are signed and verified, by multiple developers, before being built reproducibly (I can build and verify and identical binary/package). The build system has layers, such that if only a single layer is compromised, nothing happens and nobody flinches.

    Programming langauge specific package repos, have no such protections. A single developer has their key/token/account, and then they can push packages, which are often built on their own devices. There are no reproducible build to ensure the binaries are from the same source code, and no multi-party signing to ensure that multiple devs would need to be compromised in order to compromise the package.

    So what happened, probably, is some developer got phished or hacked, and gave up their API key. And the package they made was popular, and frequently ran unsandboxed on devs personal devices, so when other developers downloaded the latest version of that package, they got hacked too. The attackers then used their devices to push more malicious packages to the repo, and the cycle repeats.

    And that’s why supply chain attacks are now a daily occurrence.
















  • Journalists communicating with sources in censored regions

    Whistleblowers sharing information securely

    You and your peer agree on an encryption key (any string).

    This is unacceptably unsecure for the usecases you mention. There is a reason why the most secure messaging apps don’t use symetric encryption, don’t use passphrases, and they also possess forward secrecy.

    It’s pointless to push this as a censhorship circumvention method when many other methods exist that already do so 10x better, in a secure way, over decentralized, hidden and unblockable infrastructure. (Tor’s meek-azure bridges use microsoft’s infrastructure, which nobody is able to block because everybody depends on it, even China).

    I appreciate the project, and I am always happy to see people learning, progressing, and publishing their results, but you need to be honest about the weaknesses of your software compared to established solutions. It’s not impossible for you to one day produce a secure messaging app, but today is not the day. Right now, using this is just a fast way to get killed.