I mean even if it made them more money to platform confirmed shitheads, it’s still the wrong thing to do. Like ethically. It doesn’t also have to be wrong from a business or even legal perspective.

If a company can’t take that kind of stand I don’t want anything to do with them.

I am actually kind of thrilled that I have substack subscriptions, including paid, that I can pull as my little protest to this platform. Luckily my paid subscriptions have both confirmed that they’re ditching substack as well, so my support will follow them wherever they land.

I really hope that substack lets writers have access to their email lists, so they can easily take them with them.

How do you know about DW?

I think the fediverse in general has a better chance because it’s built on an anti-corporate philosophy, from the software, maintainers, admins, moderators, and much of the community (though increasingly less so, as it becomes more popular).

If you have a problem with corporate influence on Reddit, then your ability to act on it ends with your subreddit’s moderators. To the admins and owners of reddit, that kind of influence is a feature.

Hell they can even monetize it, bake it right into the DNA of the back-end, give the corps a nice little API to poll, maybe some webhooks…

That is not something I see happening on the fediverse as long as its open source and run by the community.

What’s wrong with Discourse? I ran a server during college for a couple of buddies and it was totally owned and operated by us, no corpos or anything. It’s just like phpbb or any other forum software AFAIK.

Proof the system works right here.

I can understand this perspective: wanting to spread the gospel of federation, etc.

But I’m starting to come around to the realization that the growth mindset is rotten. It’s what leads to these big centralized/unified platforms that concede on their core in order to reach a wider audience.

I can’t blame corpos for conceding away all identity, because engagement is how they make money, but what’s our excuse?

These aren’t refugees. They’re free to make a lemmy or masto or whatever account any time they want. We don’t have a problem with most of the people. It’s the platform, and all the fucking out and proud racists who are on it.

My grandma who owned a diner used to say the same thing, but about cops

Let me know how I can curate my feed by blocking whole instances over at X et al.

Block lists https://auxmode.com/support-knowledge-base/advanced-options-for-using-block-twitter/

“looking after” is defined on a case by case basis, by instance admins. Anyway, I’m sorry about my normie comment. I don’t mean to sound so intolerant, so I can’t blame you from extrapolating. But I’m very on board with admins blocking entire instances if they’ve shown to have inadequate moderation. For everything else, there’s ⛔

Nah you’re just attached to the old idea of the One Big Marketplace of Ideas, where all the saints and sinners of all the world gather 'round and hash it out. I get it. But it didn’t work out, specifically because corpos put profit over community well-being, so that’s why I’m here.

I’m sure there will be bridging or collating tools for people like you who don’t want to give up precious content just because it comes from a problematic source. Personally, I think wanting it all misses the point of real community.

If you want a place where admins are not allowed to block communities and instead leave moderation of all but the most egregious, illegal content, up to individuals, there are places like that already in X and Threads.

This is the fediverse, where admins are expected to look after their members. If they don’t, the members will leave. I don’t want to block every toxic user or instance on my own - I already spend too much time blocking normies from lemmy.world.

What are we competing on exactly? Profitability? We’re not a company, we’re just a bunch of people talking among ourselves. This is like saying your casual Friday hangout with your buddies is no match for the likes of Rogers Telecom Combined International Userbase - like, by wtf metric? It’s not even a competition. They’re a company, and we’re a community.

We’ll just keep doing our thing, and if threads gets annoying then I’ll pressure my instance to block them, and if they don’t I’ll just move to a nicer place. 🤷

I mean they haven’t infiltrated the private phpbb forum me and my friends have been running since 2008, for the simple reason that they aren’t invited.

Same difference with the fediverse. I have no problem going back down to pre-2019 levels where it’s just a few hundred of us, chatting and sharing #caturday pictures. The fedipact means we can easily find those networks of like-minded communities to federate with.

Is that really a problem? It’s not trying to “control” anything. It’s a voluntary pact meant to conserve the non-corporate fediverse, as it is right now.

The beauty of the fediverse is that you can choose your experience based on the instance you join

This is never going to change. If you just don’t like the intent behind the fedipact, no problem - the majority of the fediverse will be talking with threads. You get the personal choice of which instances you make accounts on. Hell, you can make your own instance.

There is no problem here.

I mean maybe! Legitimately worrying.

It can be so worth it. Sometimes I’m stressing about this great nebulous cloud of bullshit that just seems insurmountable and existential, but then when I explain it to someone, it’s like… 3 things. And yeah, those things may legitimately be a source of stress, but knowing that they are finite and number, and probably solvable, makes daily life a lot less daunting.

hey sometimes your chest just feels like there’s a great weight crushing you crushing you from above and the walls are closing in and you’re scared and you just sit there stupidly not wanting to make a fuss but knowing absolutely knowing that this is it this is how it all ends–oh and then it kind of passes and you get back on shift and get in trouble for being slow, but it’s alright at least you’re alive

lol what’s wrong with us?

Yeah… memories of me as a preteen pretending to choke in front of my siblings. Still feel a pang of guilt from that one every now and then.

Not American, but I assume it’s wrong in some subtle and hilarious way?

Wow that’s really clever.