silverpill
Developer of ActivityPub-based micro-blogging and content subscription platform Mitra. Working on Fediverse standards: https://codeberg.org/silverpill/feps
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2·2 months ago@deadsuperhero @fediverse @quillmatiq Protocols described in these FEPs are currency-agnostic and developers can build actual platforms and solutions on them (as I did). This is the only ongoing effort to bring a payment layer to the Fediverse - there are no alternative proposals. FEP-8c3f was withdrawn in favor of FEP-0ea0.
Okay, you didn’t know about it. But now you do and it would be nice to include at least some of that information in the article.
@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say “most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages”. This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it
Why did’t you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?
@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.
6·6 months ago@nihilist @monero Consider the following situations:
- Bob and Arbitrator are colluding against Alice
- Bob and Arbitrator are the same personI think this system needs a higher authority to function properly. And there’s a simple non-technical solution to this problem. If you don’t agree with Arbitrator’s ruling, you make the case public and provide proofs. As a result, Arbitrator’s reputation is destroyed.
Someone can even create a rating service similar to @kycnotme that will list arbitrators with good reputation
Yes.
https://github.com/discourse/discourse-activity-pub
It is currently being tested at SocialHub (though only selected topics are federated,
@feps@socialhub.activitypub.rocksand a couple of others)
@OrangeFren @monero Activity in Lemmy network might have subsided since the Reddit Migration, but it is certainly not dying. Today there are 768 instances with the largest one having 18469 MAUs.
The important thing about federation is that there is no downside. You get a regular forum with all benefits of a self-hosting, but now people don’t have to register on it in order to participate. For example, monero.town currently has 83 MAUs, and you can access that audience for free simply by using a different software.
I previously mentioned Discourse, which has a federation plugin, but it is not the only forum engine to choose from. NodeBB is working on federation (almost finished), and Flarum too. These engines will be fully interoperable with Lemmy, and partially with micro-blogging apps like Mastodon and Threads.
So, yeah, you’re right about this being an uncharted territory, but I see a lot of potential here
@OrangeFren @monero Why make a non-federated forum? You can run a Lemmy or a Discourse instance, and let people from monero.town and beyond participate in discussions. Otherwise there won’t be much activity
>There is no social media using tipping as piconeros
There is, I’m using it right now. Try to click on the “fediverse” icon near my comment, and on my site you’ll see a donation button.
>looking for opinions and discussion of this could be done in Monero.town
The easiest way is to convince Lemmy devs to implement profile fields: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2411
After that you can add a machine readable XMR address to your profile
@DisgracedDoctor @monero @monerobull I think this is because monero today is a boring tool that just works. The community calmed down and many activists/shills moved to greener pastures. This is probably a good thing
If you want more activity in fediverse, you can try to get micro-blogging sector going. There are many people who are interested in monero but no organization. I’ve seen a couple of accounts run by projects which mostly cross-post from twitter and do not engage with audience. No follow lists. We had a xmrposter Pleroma instance, but it was shut down.
@tusker @monero Chain growth is a real problem that is often dismissed because storage prices are falling. This makes sense when you’re small and there is not much activity, but that could change in the future.
However, I don’t think you can simply drop old blocks without burning someone’s savings? One probably should look into what Ethereum people are doing with their state expiry proposals.
@rafael_xmr @monero Support for portable objects can be added to existing Fediverse applications, the idea is relatively simple. However, implementing it might still require significant effort because of the fundamental shift from “one account -> one server” to “one account -> multiple servers”. I’ve started to work on this in Mitra, but we’re still several months away (at the very least) from anything usable.
Once this idea is proven to work, I expect rational developers to adopt it, because the benefits of data portability seem to vastly outweigh its downsides.
@monero @rafael_xmr I know how Nostr works, I just don’t think it is better. However, if it still be around in a year or two, I might consider using Nostr relays for storing AP data. Why not, if this infrastructure already exists
@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you’ll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can’t compete due to an immense implementation complexity.